2025 Novice Chasers

[AaronLad]

Don’t let facts get in the way of the proverbial elephant in the room…please don’t take this the wrong way but I feel you over compensate…bit like I used to do when we had two family dogs and the entire family had a preference for one and I doubled down on my preference for the other. On here I try my very hardest to be entirely impartial to anything and everything other than the horse itself. But fuck me does it take its toll

Poor fucking dog

[AaronLad]

Bonkers was a tongue in cheek way of saying I think the ratings are inflated

The OR ones Archie has put up

"More realistically, Handstands given 154 OR and Jango Baie 153.

Ballyburn given 160 in Ireland."


Are much more in line with what I'd have thought was reflective of their abilities



I don't care about RPR's as much as some




Personally, Jango Baie isn't one I'll be worrying about for the BANC - at best he'd be a 'disaster double' on the day of race markets


Handstands and Jango Baie are not G1 festival winners for me




If you go back on here you'll see I've made a case for the Sciliy Isles winners many a time as your list of previous winners reminded me, and it was a useful trial for the 'JLT' each way .... now, I'm not interested in it for a BANC trial at all to be honest

Tongue in cheek?
it sounded a more dismissive to me.
if rprs aren't your thing, why do you feel the need to be tongue In cheek about them on a public forum?

Jango baie might not be for you.
But the rprs given are in line for those given for that race which has a very good record in g1 festival races, which is what I wanted to highlight to dispell your theory that it was "absolutely bonkers".

just for anybody wondering, the only horse I've backed as a single for the banc is dancing city, but if he turned up I'd be worried about jango.

[Rooster Booster]

Poor fucking dog

They were both retired greyhounds. The one that wasn’t the family favourite was an absolute sweetheart unless you let him off the lead and then he’d tear anything apart he could get his jaws on.TBF on balance it was probably fair enough

p.s did anybody hear what Jane Mangan said when discussing this race. Now I have a lot if time and respect for JM but in reference to Handstands she said….he is very straightforward very much typical of Getaways…..WTAF …somebody needs to confirm she has an interest in him or I’m getting her sectioned.

[Quevega]

Tongue in cheek?
it sounded a more dismissive to me.
if rprs aren't your thing, why do you feel the need to be tongue In cheek about them on a public forum?

Jango baie might not be for you.
But the rprs given are in line for those given for that race which has a very good record in g1 festival races, which is what I wanted to highlight to dispell your theory that it was "absolutely bonkers".

just for anybody wondering, the only horse I've backed as a single for the banc is dancing city, but if he turned up I'd be worried about jango.

Surely that's exactly one of the reasons you might express incredulity ? in a tongue in cheek manner ?

[AaronLad]

Surely that's exactly one of the reasons you might express incredulity ? in a tongue in cheek manner ?

Or you could come across as dismissive
and when presented with the facts
You pass it off as tongue in cheek

And by dismissive I mean because it was a race in britain while mullins was having his gala how can it acheive such a high rating

[Kevloaf]

Tongue in cheek?
it sounded a more dismissive to me.
if rprs aren't your thing, why do you feel the need to be tongue In cheek about them on a public forum?

Jango baie might not be for you.
But the rprs given are in line for those given for that race which has a very good record in g1 festival races, which is what I wanted to highlight to dispell your theory that it was "absolutely bonkers".

just for anybody wondering, the only horse I've backed as a single for the banc is dancing city, but if he turned up I'd be worried about jango.

Are tongue in cheek and dismissive mutually exclusive?
You're responding like I'm totally new, or you've no idea what type of conversations or interactions I have on here


and I've highlighted the bit in bold I will do whatever I like on my own forum, owning it kind of gives me that right, right?

[AaronLad]

Are tongue in cheek and dismissive mutually exclusive?
You're responding like I'm totally new, or you've no idea what type of conversations or interactions I have on here


and I've highlighted the bit in bold I will do whatever I like on my own forum, owning it kind of gives me that right, right?

Tongue in cheek would be you not wanting to believe it dismissive for me is you rendering jango baie unworthy of consideration a slight difference imo.

Of course you can kev, but you must expect other members to challenge you when they have a different opinion.

The least you could've done is compare ballyburns rating with previous years and see if it's actually his rating that is either inflated or deflated, or as I highlighted with handstands and jango baie was probably in line witg the previous 10 years.

But no you just be so dismissive....
or is that tongu in cheek

[Kevloaf]

Tongue in cheek would be you not wanting to believe it dismissive for me is you rendering jango baie unworthy of consideration a slight difference imo.

Of course you can kev, but you must expect other members to challenge you when they have a different opinion.

The least you could've done is compare ballyburns rating with previous years and see if it's actually his rating that is either inflated or deflated, or as I highlighted with handstands and jango baie was probably in line witg the previous 10 years.

But no you just be so dismissive....
or is that tongu in cheek

I've just not thought about it that deep

I said before his race I thought 9/1 NRNB was too short, and I considered them more Jack Richards types

After the race I'm even more surprised he's 1 point shorter than he was


You can challenge my opinion, I'm just not that bothered - I'm happy if someone else reads it and gains something from it

I'm at a stage now doing what I do that reading everyones case for everything isn't something I do anymore.... but that's how I started and this place was invaluable for it



Challenge me all you like, I still think he's a shit price and I've already said what my strategy would be with using him in a disaster double .... that's all I have to offer on this


Other than me thinking you're a bit of a bell end now (again perhaps? I think I've thought that before and maybe forgotten) - the "not going anywhere" moniker I gave you must have come from somewhere

[Quevega]

Or you could come across as dismissive
and when presented with the facts
You pass it off as tongue in cheek

And by dismissive I mean because it was a race in britain while mullins was having his gala how can it acheive such a high rating

Do you have a UK trained horse bias ?
Or do you think you have an edge because you're less dismissive of UK trained horses, so focus a little more on them ?

How's this gone so far ?

Id' be dismissive of the two horses in that race irrespective of ratings as both are unlikely runners because the trainers have expressed that they are probably not suitable and/or good enough to win either of the 2 grade 1's at the festival this season.

I agree on the Mullins Gala - but all other trainers either in the UK or Ireland can enter their horses if they wish.
It's particularly disappointing from Henry and Gordon I think, but I suppose they have their reasons.
Anyway I digress.

FWIW - I think this year might be a better year for those that side with the Brits, as an angle, but only slightly.
They might even smash the Irish in the handicap chases in particular.

Fingers crossed for you.

[Carnage at Taunton]

Re Jango……. Think we have to wait for next season before its Judgement time.

[AaronLad]

Do you have a UK trained horse bias ?
Or do you think you have an edge because you're less dismissive of UK trained horses, so focus a little more on them ?

How's this gone so far ?

Id' be dismissive of the two horses in that race irrespective of ratings as both are unlikely runners because the trainers have expressed that they are probably not suitable and/or good enough to win either of the 2 grade 1's at the festival this season.

I agree on the Mullins Gala - but all other trainers either in the UK or Ireland can enter their horses if they wish.
It's particularly disappointing from Henry and Gordon I think, but I suppose they have their reasons.
Anyway I digress.

FWIW - I think this year might be a better year for those that side with the Brits, as an angle, but only slightly.
They might even smash the Irish in the handicap chases in particular.

Fingers crossed for you.

I have no bias towards uk or irish trained horses.
uk horses are more readily dismissed on this forum which is why inevitably I'll end up looking like I'm sticking up for them more often.
I like to talk about horses, don't we all?

If kev had posted that it was absolutley bonkers that ballyburn had been given a 160 rpr, Would i have needed to reply to him?
No because there would have been an army of members jumping to his defence.

There wasn't many jumping to the defence of those 2, in a race which has an excellent record in the banc recently.
Yes they look unlikely to turn up but i dont think jango baie can be dismissed I'd turning up, not the way he powered up the hill on his only course appearance.

[Quevega]

I have no bias towards uk or irish trained horses.
My
uk horses are more readily dismissed on this forum which is why inevitably I'll end up looking like I'm sticking up for them more often.
I like to talk about horses, don't we all?

If kev had posted that it was absolutley bonkers that ballyburn had been given a 160 rpr, Would i have needed to reply to him?
No because there would have been an army of members jumping to his defence.

There wasn't many jumping to the defence of those 2, in a race which has an excellent record in the banc recently.
Yes they look unlikely to turn up but i dont think jango baie can be dismissed I'd turning up, not the way he powered up the hill on his only course appearance.

We'll agree to disagree on the bias thing.

There is nothing wrong in finding an edge to get value - and looking more closely at UK trained horses from less high profile trainers is definitely worth consideration. You do a more than respectable job at this and make solid cases sometimes.

What can be a bad habit though is to allow this thought process to fog the mind a little.

I suffer with this in respect of some horses and sometimes get into a bad habit of always wanting to try and get them beat, this is nearly always price related - But I also know that this is often also influenced by irrational thoughts sometimes (dislike of trainer or jockey, or liking the main rival for some reason)

Kauto Star, Jonbon, Shishkin, Big Bucks to name a few.

The money I've wasted trying to get these beaten is not insubstantial, when I could have just left the races alone and watched.




Jango and co
I don't think anyone jumped to their defences as they aren't really in consideration for the festival
IMO anyway.
Although Jango is entered and I'd have a look at him if they got as far as declaring or stating any intention to run. Cos he did look good that day at Cheltenham for sure.

[ComplyOrDie]

Jango and co
I don't think anyone jumped to their defences as they aren't really in consideration for the festival
IMO anyway.
Although Jango is entered and I'd have a look at him if they got as far as declaring or stating any intention to run. Cos he did look good that day at Cheltenham for sure.

I've backed Jango, which I can't cash out, but do I think he's going to win a BANC now? Absolutely not.

I was really hoping he'd find plenty for pressure and get by Handstands, the fact he didn't is not just underwhelming but disappointing too.

I use RPR's but think what the pair achieved was rated a bit too high, IMO, which the OR seems to agree with.

[Rooster Booster]

We'll agree to disagree on the bias thing.

There is nothing wrong in finding an edge to get value - and looking more closely at UK trained horses from less high profile trainers is definitely worth consideration. You do a more than respectable job at this and make solid cases sometimes.

What can be a bad habit though is to allow this thought process to fog the mind a little.

I suffer with this in respect of some horses and sometimes get into a bad habit of always wanting to try and get them beat, this is nearly always price related - But I also know that this is often also influenced by irrational thoughts sometimes (dislike of trainer or jockey, or liking the main rival for some reason)

Kauto Star, Jonbon, Shishkin, Big Bucks to name a few.

The money I've wasted trying to get these beaten is not insubstantial, when I could have just left the races alone and watched.




Jango and co
I don't think anyone jumped to their defences as they aren't really in consideration for the festival
IMO anyway.
Although Jango is entered and I'd have a look at him if they got as far as declaring or stating any intention to run. Cos he did look good that day at Cheltenham for sure.

If we really want to have a conversation about bias I’m not sure highlighting one of the very few that demonstrate a British bias is necessarily the fairest way to do it. It is however safer

[TigerRolllllll]

Brides Hill entered Thursday

Still 20-1 NRNB is great price

Needs good ground, but if gets it then one of highest rated in race