2025 Novice Chasers

[HoldenTheReins]

I get the angle but I can’t get away from the fact that the reigning champion hurdler is in the same ownership as Sir Gino and would they want to throw two heavy darts at the champion hurdle ?
I don’t know who wears the stripes in Hendo/Donnelly relationship but I’d imagine conversations will be had…

If I was Donnelly I'd have Sir Gino jumping fences now and Mundi novice chasing next year.

Got State Man, Anzadam and Kitzbuhel for the CH potentially.

[Craigy14]

Obviously not seen SG jump a fence so hard to say how the race will go, but if this were a 2m hurdle race I know who my cash would be on.
Ones a 2 miler the other one ain’t imo.

I don’t think Sir Ginos future lies over 2m either for what it’s worth. He’s young enough as Majborough is that they are showing enough at a young age to perform over that distance. Him, Majborough and Kalif are huge for juveniles. All 3 will be seen to best effect over further imo once they build into those frames.

WPM doesn’t get much wrong and his immediate aftermath of the Ballymore was that Ballyburn was a champion hurdle horse. The only reason he isn’t going that route is the current champion hurdler in the yard and the up and coming Lossiemouth. As Q said Ballyburn would have won that fight in fifth just as easy as Sir Gino did.

[Runragged]

I get the angle but I can’t get away from the fact that the reigning champion hurdler is in the same ownership as Sir Gino and would they want to throw two heavy darts at the champion hurdle ?
I don’t know who wears the stripes in Hendo/Donnelly relationship but I’d imagine conversations will be had…

It's a Championship race and obviously in the scenario I put forward above, we are potentially taking Con Hill out of the equation. In that situation then yes, I can see the Donnelly's having State Man and Sir Gino, two strong chances attempting to win the race. May also have Anzadam, of who I have absolutely no interest in based on a 4yo only g3 winner and has to back the win up, but is in the same ownership. I'm obviously not in that position, but given the choice, would I want a great chance of winning a Championship race or a good chance of winning it along with a good chance in the Arkle? I think I would favour the former.

[Carnage at Taunton]

Yep
like craigy said
on paper he’s better, it’s then up to the individual punter how good they think the juveniles are vs novices from last year.
Id say it’d be potentially close if they both jump well.
even if the novices were below par - ballyburn was well clear.

That open grade one was fucking wank.
Ballyburn would have done at least the same.

The Supreme was fucking wank imo as was the Ballymore.
Sir Gino would thrash Slade Steel over 2m , no doubt in my mind.
Not sure about beating Ballyburn over the Ballymore distance, but over 2m I would be confident.

[Quevega]

The Supreme was fucking wank imo as was the Ballymore.
Sir Gino would thrash Slade Steel over 2m , no doubt in my mind.
Not sure about beating Ballyburn over the Ballymore distance, but over 2m I would be confident.

2 miles or 2 miles 4f
makes no difference whatsoever at this level
And stop swearing
it’s not you.

[Carnage at Taunton]

2 miles or 2 miles 4f
makes no difference whatsoever at this level
And stop swearing
it’s not you.

Well ok then, I shall politely say I think Sir Gino is simply a better class of horse than Ballyburn.
And let the horses tell me if I’m right or wrong.

[Quevega]

Well ok then, I shall politely say I think Sir Gino is simply a better class of horse than Ballyburn.
And let the horses tell me if I’m right or wrong.

That’s better

[AaronLad]

2 miles or 2 miles 4f
makes no difference whatsoever at this level
And stop swearing
it’s not you.

Thats bollocks. It matters more at top level than novice level.
Constiturion hills performance at 2m4 at aintree and his champion hurdle performance 4 weeks before tells you there's a big difference and it does matter.

[Quevega]

Thats bollocks. It matters more at top level than novice level.
Constiturion hills performance at 2m4 at aintree and his champion hurdle performance 4 weeks before tells you there's a big difference and it does matter.

Is one horse and one race your evidence?
If you think constitution hill was at his best that day and the trip made him look worse then I’d say you’ve been drinking
cos you’re spelling is very poor.

[AaronLad]

Is one horse and one race your evidence?
If you think constitution hill was at his best that day and the trip made him look worse then I’d say you’ve been drinking
cos you’re spelling is very poor.

Al eile
That is my primary evidence sir

[Craigy14]

I’m with Q on this one, I don’t those distances are much apart at any level, most speed horses will get either as well as having a little stamina does no harm.

Look how many champion hurdle horses have won at Aintree. Look at how many QM horses have won or been competitive in a Ryanair.

At the same time then compare Aintree and Ryanair horses and do you get the same outcome for stayers and Gold Cup horses, miles apart for me.

[The Fellow]

no sherry left for the trifle

[Quevega]

Al eile
That is my primary evidence sir

Poor example , especially as it’s your primary evidence.
That was more a case of trainer deciding his horse don’t like the course at Cheltenham and opting for easier races at Aintree instead.
Nowt to do with trip IMO.

[Carnage at Taunton]

I don’t think Sir Ginos future lies over 2m either for what it’s worth. He’s young enough as Majborough is that they are showing enough at a young age to perform over that distance. Him, Majborough and Kalif are huge for juveniles. All 3 will be seen to best effect over further imo once they build into those frames.

WPM doesn’t get much wrong and his immediate aftermath of the Ballymore was that Ballyburn was a champion hurdle horse. The only reason he isn’t going that route is the current champion hurdler in the yard and the up and coming Lossiemouth. As Q said Ballyburn would have won that fight in fifth just as easy as Sir Gino did.

Well time will tell if Sir Gino goes further than 2m, but he certainly looks to me a natural 2miler and that he can go to the top level over 2m, be it hurdles or fences.
I do accept though that it’s very early days.

Im not sure WM thinks that now re Ballyburn, my eyes tell me he’s a stayer. And I think that’s where he’s heading at some point soon.

[Lobos]

Some very drunk people on here today. Disgusting habit.