2025 Novice Chasers

[Lobos]

Think thats just reflecting that hes going to run.
Townend looks like hes given up his rides on first 2 days of Leopards and Patrick has picked up most of them.

Big move though....into 8/11 with PP/Betfair. That's short against a top class opponent giving weight.

[Quevega]

Big move though....into 8/11 with PP/Betfair. That's short against a top class opponent giving weight.

whats your point though ?

Pretty sure that simply reflects that as it stands he's a better horse than Gino, and is a likely runner now.
Not saying he'll win but he's obviously better from hurdles form.
I'd expect him to be odds on for sure.

[Lobos]

whats your point though ?

Pretty sure that simply reflects that as it stands he's a better horse than Gino, and is a likely runner now.
Not saying he'll win but he's obviously better from hurdles form.
I'd expect him to be odds on for sure.

Ok. I wouldn't. He opened 11/8 as well so that's some shift. Hope he wins though!

[AaronLad]

whats your point though ?

Pretty sure that simply reflects that as it stands he's a better horse than Gino, and is a likely runner now.
Not saying he'll win but he's obviously better from hurdles form.
I'd expect him to be odds on for sure.

Better hurdles form?
open grade 1 winner vs novice grade 1 winner.
I appreciate the horses weren't open grade 1 level, but neither were the novices ballyburn beat last season, imo.

[Carnage at Taunton]

Better hurdles form?
open grade 1 winner vs novice grade 1 winner.
I appreciate the horses weren't open grade 1 level, but neither were the novices ballyburn beat last season, imo.

Yep, I thought the general feeling is that the novices ain’t up to much, certainly don’t look it to
me.
I like the Juveniles though, both SG and Maj look the real thing imo.
If it’s thought that currently Ballyburn is a better 2 miler than SG I don’t think that will last long!!

[Lobos]

If SG is as good over fences as Nicky says then if Ballyburn beats him, giving weight, he'll go very, very short for the Arkle.

[Craigy14]

Suppose it depends what we want to look at.

Ballyburn rated 162, along with 157 and 166 RPR’s.

Sir Gino rated 157, along with a 156 RPR (for his open Grade 1 win).

Thats says Ballyburn is better. It will be a very interesting race indeed!

Edit - just for context the 157 RPR for Ballyburn was his DRF 2m win.

[AaronLad]

Suppose it depends what we want to look at.

Ballyburn rated 162, along with 157 and 166 RPR’s.

Sir Gino rated 157, along with a 156 RPR (for his open Grade 1 win).

Thats says Ballyburn is better. It will be a very interesting race indeed!

Edit - just for context the 157 RPR for Ballyburn was his DRF 2m win.

Out of the horses they've both beat though, I'd rather own kargese over jetara and burdett road over Jimmy du seuil or slade steel.

As you say though it'll be very interesting

[Craigy14]

Out of the horses they've both beat though, I'd rather own kargese over jetara and burdett road over Jimmy du seuil or slade steel.

As you say though it'll be very interesting

Hmm not so sure, Kargese yes, but I would stop there at comparing the rest or who I’d want to own. All part of the puzzle in forming certain opinions.

Think we can all agree they are both on a very upward trajectory at present.

[Runragged]

Ok, what about this scenario. Con Hill bombs out in the Xmas hurdle, clearly not right. Surely there is a chance Sir Gino gets pulled from the Wayward Lad? There is clearly a correlation between connections regarding Con Hill and Sir Gino, so what is the point in Sir Gino potentially losing his novice chase status when he could be the yards big Champ Hurdle hope again? Fair enough if Con Hill runs well, Sir Gino wins the Wayward Lad but then Con Hill gets injured in the run up and misses the Champ Hurdle, that Sir Gino switched back to hurdles. But, a much below par Con Hill in the Xmas Hurdle clearly doesn't bode well towards a Champ Hurdle bid 3 months later...

[Quevega]

Better hurdles form?
open grade 1 winner vs novice grade 1 winner.
I appreciate the horses weren't open grade 1 level, but neither were the novices ballyburn beat last season, imo.

Yep
like craigy said
on paper he’s better, it’s then up to the individual punter how good they think the juveniles are vs novices from last year.
Id say it’d be potentially close if they both jump well.
even if the novices were below par - ballyburn was well clear.

That open grade one was fucking wank.
Ballyburn would have done at least the same.

[Carnage at Taunton]

If SG is as good over fences as Nicky says then if Ballyburn beats him, giving weight, he'll go very, very short for the Arkle.

If SG is as good as they say he will piss up imo

[Istabraq]

Ok, what about this scenario. Con Hill bombs out in the Xmas hurdle, clearly not right. Surely there is a chance Sir Gino gets pulled from the Wayward Lad? There is clearly a correlation between connections regarding Con Hill and Sir Gino, so what is the point in Sir Gino potentially losing his novice chase status when he could be the yards big Champ Hurdle hope again? Fair enough if Con Hill runs well, Sir Gino wins the Wayward Lad but then Con Hill gets injured in the run up and misses the Champ Hurdle, that Sir Gino switched back to hurdles. But, a much below par Con Hill in the Xmas Hurdle clearly doesn't bode well towards a Champ Hurdle bid 3 months later...

I get the angle but I can’t get away from the fact that the reigning champion hurdler is in the same ownership as Sir Gino and would they want to throw two heavy darts at the champion hurdle ?
I don’t know who wears the stripes in Hendo/Donnelly relationship but I’d imagine conversations will be had…

[Carnage at Taunton]

Obviously not seen SG jump a fence so hard to say how the race will go, but if this were a 2m hurdle race I know who my cash would be on.
Ones a 2 miler the other one ain’t imo.

[Carnage at Taunton]

I get the angle but I can’t get away from the fact that the reigning champion hurdler is in the same ownership as Sir Gino and would they want to throw two heavy darts at the champion hurdle ?
I don’t know who wears the stripes in Hendo/Donnelly relationship but I’d imagine conversations will be had…

Well if they know Lossie is better than SM, then they have the chance of a lot more cash winning a CH than an Arkle and more prestige.