2025 Novice Chasers

[ComplyOrDie]

Not gonna look but would hazard a guess that most of them at some point

Allmankind for certain - as you were a fanboy.
Haut en Coleurs ? more than likely
Saint Sam ? probably
Riviere Detel - early season definitely
Fakir - most definitely

And probably even Blood Destiny last year.

They'd be my best guesses anyhow.

I think you answered the wrong quote. This was my reply to JM about chasers.

I definitely wasn't an Allmankind fan boy though, that was charlie during the juvenile season with Goshen around.

I'm not sure what the point is about me backing the 5yo's though.

I've backed both Majborough & Sir Gino for the Arkle.

I'm not saying they can't win, I'm saying they don't win, at least since the abolishment of the allowance, those are the facts/stats.

[Lobos]

"I'm not saying they can't win, I'm saying they don't win"

Currently the leader for FJ quote of the year

[Quevega]

I think you answered the wrong quote. This was my reply to JM about chasers.

I definitely wasn't an Allmankind fan boy though, that was charlie during the juvenile season with Goshen around.

I'm not sure what the point is about me backing the 5yo's though.

I've backed both Majborough & Sir Gino for the Arkle.

I'm not saying they can't win, I'm saying they don't win, at least since the abolishment of the allowance, those are the facts/stats.

Yeah, I know you've backed them again.
I think I understand where you're coming from.

Just find it funny that you're chief trumpeter for the five year old's don't win the arkle stat.
But I knew you'd often backed them anyway.

Apologies for the fanboy label I just knew you had a connection to it.

[ComplyOrDie]

"I'm not saying they can't win, I'm saying they don't win"

Currently the leader for FJ quote of the year

I've done extremely well to take that crown off you.

But even so, you can't show me a 5 year old Arkle winner, since the allowance was abolished so at least it's factually correct.

[Lobos]

I've done extremely well to take that crown off you.

But even so, you can't show me a 5 year old Arkle winner, since the allowance was abolished so at least it's factually correct.

How dare you.....I've won it 5 years in a row too. Need to step my game up.

Very true

[Quevega]

I've done extremely well to take that crown off you.

But even so, you can't show me a 5 year old Arkle winner, since the allowance was abolished so at least it's factually correct.

Then follows it up with another one - straight in at number one. (awesome)

[ComplyOrDie]

Yeah, I know you've backed them again.
I think I understand where you're coming from.

Just find it funny that you're chief trumpeter for the five year old's don't win the arkle stat.
But I knew you'd often backed them anyway.

Apologies for the fanboy label I just knew you had a connection to it.

I'll make a deal.

I think many are under the impression that both Majborough & Sir Gino are probably two of the strongest 5 year old Arkle contenders in a long time.

Should one of them win, I'll not mention the 5yo stat for the Arkle ever again!

[Craigy14]

I'll make a deal.

I think many are under the impression that both Majborough & Sir Gino are probably two of the strongest 5 year old Arkle contenders in a long time.

Should one of them win, I'll not mention the 5yo stat for the Arkle ever again!

Come on mate lets raise the stakes here…….

Whoever is on the 5 year olds step up, you get the 2 five’s year olds, COD gets the field who’s taking it with him?

[Eggs]

I would say Maj has cemented his place in the Arkle.
I think Ballyburn is still to convince either way.
His next run imo may well sort out his destination.

….Lads offer Ballyburn BANC/GC 50-1 (55-1 with boost).

[Istabraq]

Interesting. Why do you think he won't run Ballyburn and Majborough in the Arkle given the chance? He had the fav and 2nd fav last year and the fav and 3rd fav the year before so not afraid to pitch two with good chances in the same race. As to the form of their respective chase debuts, we can assess it however we like. Tullyhill was a listed winner over hurdles with an RPR of 145 who did disappoint at the end of the season. Asian Master was 4th in the Supreme with a peak RPR of 142. Ocastle Des Mottes was only 5th in a Martin Pipe off 133 and had an RPR peak of 131. We won't talk about the 3rd to Ballyburn who was 24 lengths behind "handicapper" Asian Master when last seen over hurdles...

Happy to be shot down but you've picked up on my handicapper comment re Asian Master without appreciating the concept, and I think you're intelligent enough to understand the relevance of my statement of him 'may never being better than a handicapper'.
Of course Mullins may run two in the race but if he does the second string will be there looking for place money and experience rather that Mullins throwing two darts at the race, when does Mullins ever really throw two at a race where he thinks either could win, more likely he knows who the gun is and the rest are picking up prize money.
Not sure the Arkle is a race to give horses experience/introduction to horses, personally I think whoever Mullins sends to the race who Townend isn't on has pretty much zero chance of winning...

[Quevega]

Happy to be shot down but you've picked up on my handicapper comment re Asian Master without appreciating the concept, and I think you're intelligent enough to understand the relevance of my statement of him 'may never being better than a handicapper'.
Of course Mullins may run two in the race but if he does the second string will be there looking for place money and experience rather that Mullins throwing two darts at the race, when does Mullins ever really throw two at a race where he thinks either could win, more likely he knows who the gun is and the rest are picking up prize money.
Not sure the Arkle is a race to give horses experience/introduction to horses, personally I think whoever Mullins sends to the race who Townend isn't on has pretty much zero chance of winning...

You're completely forgetting the JP factor.
Townend don't ride his horses.
So zero chance is pretty far off the mark if one of Mullins participants is owned by JP.

[Istabraq]

True, but there’s no chance two Mullins horses go for a G1 with serious chances, if Mullins thinks a non JP horse of his is a better one I suspect he’ll pull his.
No idea what the answer is but how many JP winners has Mullins has when he’s had other runners in the race ?

[DenmanSacre]

True, but there’s no chance two Mullins horses go for a G1 with serious chances, if Mullins thinks a non JP horse of his is a better one I suspect he’ll pull his.
No idea what the answer is but how many JP winners has Mullins has when he’s had other runners in the race ?

Triumph 2024 - Majborough and a load of Mullins horses.
Mares Chase 2022 - Elimay, with Concertista favourite

The JP/Mullins partnership isn't too old though where JP was buying those top class prospects and sending them to Willie.

[Quevega]

True, but there’s no chance two Mullins horses go for a G1 with serious chances, if Mullins thinks a non JP horse of his is a better one I suspect he’ll pull his.
No idea what the answer is but how many JP winners has Mullins has when he’s had other runners in the race ?

I'd be fairly sure there are plenty of occasions where Willie is not certain which of his is the likely winner, he may have a good idea, and at Cheltenham it has worked out fairly regularly that his stable jockey is usually on the best option. But this is definitely not the case all year round, and his weaponry for Cheltenham is increasing every year.

But as we're talking about Majborough we only have to go back to last years Triumph for a perfect example, and with JP looking to have more horses with Willie in contention this year then we may see it happen more often.

[Craigy14]

We also have to remember there are only 2 Grade 1 novice chases now so it’s inevitable that there will be solid win chances in both races for WPM imo.