2025 Novice Hurdlers

[FinalFurlong91]

New Lion. I didnt pick up on this during the quotes until now, but he refered to him as like a remote control car. Thats a bit mad no ? Thats quite a statement.

If you ride him through a puddle he stops working completely? Let's hope it's dry ground then

In all seriousness this looks like the year that the Challow hoodoo is going to get broken to me

Think he has a better turn of foot than final demand and the yellow clay

I was kind of hoping he'd drift but that doesn't look like happening especially with kawaboomga out

Was hoping I'd get 4s or 5s on the machine on the day

[Kevloaf]

Unfortunately jurancon not declared for the Morebattle. My fears were realised and he's opted for Newbury.
Apologies to anyone who followed me in on the related double with Tripoli flyer last weekend.

As Meatloaf sings,

Life is a lemon, and I want my money back

[Kevloaf]

I can very much see William Munny being the sentimental bet for the Supreme and him going off a lot shorter than he currently is.
Same colours Michael O'Sullivan won the race in, a lot of ITV coverage will happen about it too, I suspect.

Be even better when he wins it

[AaronLad]

Turners Novices hurdle.

The front 2 in the market final demand and the néw lion both have a couple of long losing streaks to break.
The new lion has the hoodoo of being the challow winner to break, its been so long, it almost seems inevitable that he will be beaten.
final demand would have to be the first horse since mikael d'hagenuet in 2009 to not have run in a NHF race(bumper), every winner since has not only ran in a bumper but has won one.
How significant is it? How many have tried?
Well I was prepared to have a thorough look back, but the first renewal i went to was when impaire et passe won, hermes allen 9/4 fav and gaelic warrior 4/1, both fancied, no bumper runs between them, both beaten.

Last season Ballyburn restored the p2p/bumper/graded hurdle trend? That was appearing more regularly in the recent winners, of course impaire et passe had bucked that trend but its still very strong in recent years. 6 from the last 10 winners.

So why is bumper form so important?
Is it because they're mostly run at around the 2mile mark, generally needing a bit of pace to win one.
Bumpers can become quite tactical with no obstacles to jump, is this an important experience with regards to how the turners is usually run, tactical speed is certainly an advantage.

Sixmilebridge, started his career in the p2p sphere, having 2 runs in 4yrold maidens.
He was with Ben Pauling last season winning a bumper at Sandown before being well beaten in the champion bumper at cheltenham.
During the summer the megsons decided to move their horses from the ben pauling yard and sixmilebridge ended up at fergal o'briens, he had wind surgery in august.

He started his hurdling career over 2miles, ridden in touch with leaders and staying on at the finish just not reaching the winner.
stepped up in trip on his 2nd start, he led after the 1st and duly won with ease.
He made all again on his 3rd start over hurdles winning comfortably and earning a step up in grade.

Cheltenham for trials day against Potters charm in the Grade 2 classic novices hurdle.
He again made all, briefly headed 2 out, but showing a real good attitude to pull clear on the run in, over the turners course and distance. Potters charm carrying a 5lb penalty, but easily swatted aside.

Since joining fergal, he had his wind op. He has also wore a tongue tie in each of his races. On his last run i'd say both are/have worked an absolute treat.
Since a change in how he is ridden he has thrived, he loves to gallop out in front and make it a proper test.

The last British trained horse to win the turners was Willoughby court. He made all to win that year, just kept galloping to the line.

Sixmilebridge p2p Runs, tick, won a bumper tick, graded hurdle form, tick.

[punterorplonker]

So the supreme is a race that ive strangely not had any interest or view on until now. Im still in shock I havent had a bet in it yet, its almost worrying.

Anyway this morning I have had a tidal wave of thoughts towards SMundi. This horse has been FAV for most of the season right and I can only just think he hasn't had his ideal ground yet and obviously Sir Gino has one hell of a reputation. Whats the views on waiting for a price chaps ?

I feel like actually the attention of KDB has done a huge favour to my perspective today. I am almost imagining that the DRF didnt happen and the mullins camp had the same views on their leading contender. Everything went wrong in the moscow but still won, listening back to pauls views after the race again give me alot of confidence.

[JamieSensible]

Does anyone know the well being of Inn at the Park? And if he's going to go to the Albert Bartlett?

[FredFlintstone]

So the supreme is a race that ive strangely not had any interest or view on until now. Im still in shock I havent had a bet in it yet, its almost worrying.

Anyway this morning I have had a tidal wave of thoughts towards SMundi. This horse has been FAV for most of the season right and I can only just think he hasn't had his ideal ground yet and obviously Sir Gino has one hell of a reputation. Whats the views on waiting for a price chaps ?

I feel like actually the attention of KDB has done a huge favour to my perspective today. I am almost imagining that the DRF didnt happen and the mullins camp had the same views on their leading contender. Everything went wrong in the moscow but still won, listening back to pauls views after the race again give me alot of confidence.

I'd be massively concerned Patrick Mullins rides him. Surely you have to wait for jockey bookings now?

[Craigy14]

I'd be massively concerned Patrick Mullins rides him. Surely you have to wait for jockey bookings now?

This is my biggest fear at present, well apart from the odds on machine Kopek from the same stable

I obviously won’t but seeing Patrick jocked up Sunday afternoon I would be close to cashing it for all he’s a good jockey, a top amateur, he’s not close to the top professionals imo.

[Kevloaf]

Turners Novices hurdle.

The front 2 in the market final demand and the néw lion both have a couple of long losing streaks to break.
The new lion has the hoodoo of being the challow winner to break, its been so long, it almost seems inevitable that he will be beaten.
final demand would have to be the first horse since mikael d'hagenuet in 2009 to not have run in a NHF race(bumper), every winner since has not only ran in a bumper but has won one.
How significant is it? How many have tried?
Well I was prepared to have a thorough look back, but the first renewal i went to was when impaire et passe won, hermes allen 9/4 fav and gaelic warrior 4/1, both fancied, no bumper runs between them, both beaten.

Last season Ballyburn restored the p2p/bumper/graded hurdle trend? That was appearing more regularly in the recent winners, of course impaire et passe had bucked that trend but its still very strong in recent years. 6 from the last 10 winners.

So why is bumper form so important?
Is it because they're mostly run at around the 2mile mark, generally needing a bit of pace to win one.
Bumpers can become quite tactical with no obstacles to jump, is this an important experience with regards to how the turners is usually run, tactical speed is certainly an advantage.

Sixmilebridge, started his career in the p2p sphere, having 2 runs in 4yrold maidens.
He was with Ben Pauling last season winning a bumper at Sandown before being well beaten in the champion bumper at cheltenham.
During the summer the megsons decided to move their horses from the ben pauling yard and sixmilebridge ended up at fergal o'briens, he had wind surgery in august.

He started his hurdling career over 2miles, ridden in touch with leaders and staying on at the finish just not reaching the winner.
stepped up in trip on his 2nd start, he led after the 1st and duly won with ease.
He made all again on his 3rd start over hurdles winning comfortably and earning a step up in grade.

Cheltenham for trials day against Potters charm in the Grade 2 classic novices hurdle.
He again made all, briefly headed 2 out, but showing a real good attitude to pull clear on the run in, over the turners course and distance. Potters charm carrying a 5lb penalty, but easily swatted aside.

Since joining fergal, he had his wind op. He has also wore a tongue tie in each of his races. On his last run i'd say both are/have worked an absolute treat.
Since a change in how he is ridden he has thrived, he loves to gallop out in front and make it a proper test.

The last British trained horse to win the turners was Willoughby court. He made all to win that year, just kept galloping to the line.

Sixmilebridge p2p Runs, tick, won a bumper tick, graded hurdle form, tick.

I can't decide when to back Sixmilebridge


I think I want to wait for additional places, and he'll still be double figures (I hope)

If Final Demand, The Yellow Clay and The New Lion all run then I think that'll be achievable

He's under the radar in a way, and I'd have him beating Potters Charm in a head to head ...

Day of race markets will be out with plenty of time to make money from him I suspect/hope

[riccirich]

This is my biggest fear at present, well apart from the odds on machine Kopek from the same stable

I obviously won’t but seeing Patrick jocked up Sunday afternoon I would be close to cashing it for all he’s a good jockey, a top amateur, he’s not close to the top professionals imo.

especially since salvator doesn't look the easiest ride. If he was an easy enough ride where you just drop him in third or fourth and throw down a challenge rounding the bend then it wouldn't be as bad.

But if he needs to be held up and settled and does a lot wrong during the race, and your relying on patrick to conjur a bit of magic, then your buggered.

[AaronLad]

I can't decide when to back Sixmilebridge


I think I want to wait for additional places, and he'll still be double figures (I hope)

If Final Demand, The Yellow Clay and The New Lion all run then I think that'll be achievable

He's under the radar in a way, and I'd have him beating Potters Charm in a head to head ...

Day of race markets will be out with plenty of time to make money from him I suspect/hope

Yeah he'll be plenty big enough.... unless fergal wins the supreme.
But I did back him @20s a month ago, then at 16s last weekend now its 14s.
But we are in that period where bookies seem to tighten the odds as much as possible before they give us allsorts of incentives, extra places etc.

I'd wait if you're not already on.

[AaronLad]

Horaces pearl cantering to victory today at newbury.
Really impressive.

Fergal really does have some nice novices this season.

One for Aintree this year

[BagOfHammers]

Anyone know why Irancy has suddenly got so short? Saw he was 120 on the exchange a couple days ago and regret not having a couple quid on now

[ComplyOrDie]

Anyone know why Irancy has suddenly got so short? Saw he was 120 on the exchange a couple days ago and regret not having a couple quid on now

I'd imagine someone has put him up or the ITK's are aware he's Mark Walsh's ride in the Supreme.

[Rooster Booster]

I'd imagine someone has put him up or the ITK's are aware he's Mark Walsh's ride in the Supreme.

Yes I wondered if it was the Mark Walsh thing…though considering his now limited compelling alternatives you’d have to question whether that alone is enough to warrant this kind of activity and if that’s all it is then I’m not sure what planet people are on. As a backer im hoping it’s something much more substantial. He is delicate but very talented and so it is possible he is lighting up the gallops. Be nice to know one way or the other.