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2025 Novice Hurdlers

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  • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

    C'mon The Lion !!!
    Not sure why I said that really as I'd be better off FD winning now C'mon both of them !!

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    • It’s not that conclusive really as TNL won so easily.
      Taking no notice of that in relation to TNL chances in March.

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      • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post
        It’s not that conclusive really as TNL won so easily.
        Taking no notice of that in relation to TNL chances in March.
        Which is fine.
        And form is form ComplyOrDie

        But his form would have looked better had Califet won by 10+ lengths today - No ?

        Whereas in actuality, it almost certainly wasn't a positive.

        More of a mmmmmh

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        • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

          Which is fine.
          And form is form ComplyOrDie

          But his form would have looked better had Califet won by 10+ lengths today - No ?

          Whereas in actuality, it almost certainly wasn't a positive.

          More of a mmmmmh
          Absolutely

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          • Does anyone know if Henry Debromheads Good N Kind is in any danger of hitting a race course anytime soon? I've got a 66/1 ticket, but he's yet to see a hurdle and it's the first week of February.

            The Clonmel race he sometimes uses is next week I think but I've not heard a peep.

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            • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

              Which is fine.
              And form is form ComplyOrDie

              But his form would have looked better had Califet won by 10+ lengths today - No ?

              Whereas in actuality, it almost certainly wasn't a positive.

              More of a mmmmmh
              Understand what you say and it’s
              Fair enough
              Would have looked better but not that bothered like I would be if TNL had had to work harder




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              • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                So Willie says Final Demand will not go Albert as you need an experienced horse on the go from early in the season to go to the race as it's brutal.

                Who does he have that fits that profile?
                He won it in 2022 with a horse making it's 4th lifetime start and 2nd over hurdles!

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                • Originally posted by cpfcpatriot View Post

                  He won it in 2022 with a horse making it's 4th lifetime start and 2nd over hurdles!
                  To be fair, that horse has run once in the nearly 3 years since that race so it's reasonable to think it could be a new-ish rule

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                  • Originally posted by JamieSensible View Post
                    Does anyone know if Henry Debromheads Good N Kind is in any danger of hitting a race course anytime soon? I've got a 66/1 ticket, but he's yet to see a hurdle and it's the first week of February.

                    The Clonmel race he sometimes uses is next week I think but I've not heard a peep.
                    Just cash and re back if he’s entered, if you can that is.

                    Hes 33/1 Turners and 50/1 Spud but even at half the price of what you have is he likely to set the world alight with no runs to date? I’d be surprised mate.

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                    • Regent's Stroll declared for the listed race at Exeter on Sunday.

                      Trappy enough little race with Dodger Long (form ties with Anzadam) and Alexei (impressive in two wins to date) also both declared.

                      In that grand scheme of Cheltenham though, whoever wins will be wanting to do it well enough.

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                      • I am aware the Albert Bartlett can be a graveyard for Ante Post betting but when I look at the current market it is screaming "opportunity" at me and is ripe for a big price winner this year. Top of the market with b365 is The Yellow Clay7/2 who is 50/50 to run, then Final Demand 6/1 who likely won't run, then The Big Westerner 8/1, then Jet Blue 16/1 and 25/1 bar these 4. Am I mad to think Jasmin De Vaux at 33/1 AP and 25/1 NRNB is a great bet. They say you have to be a Stayer to win the Bumper. And Willies recent quote was "He'll go up in trip and could be an Albert Bartlett horse. I think he needs more time at his hurdles." His jumping so far has been sub standard for sure but they know that and will be working on it. If they can improve his jumping over next 5 weeks it looks like they are targeting the AB with him. I have convinced myself. Anyone else in the same camp ? Or am I mad ?

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                        • Originally posted by BuckingThe Trend View Post
                          I am aware the Albert Bartlett can be a graveyard for Ante Post betting but when I look at the current market it is screaming "opportunity" at me and is ripe for a big price winner this year. Top of the market with b365 is The Yellow Clay7/2 who is 50/50 to run, then Final Demand 6/1 who likely won't run, then The Big Westerner 8/1, then Jet Blue 16/1 and 25/1 bar these 4. Am I mad to think Jasmin De Vaux at 33/1 AP and 25/1 NRNB is a great bet. They say you have to be a Stayer to win the Bumper. And Willies recent quote was "He'll go up in trip and could be an Albert Bartlett horse. I think he needs more time at his hurdles." His jumping so far has been sub standard for sure but they know that and will be working on it. If they can improve his jumping over next 5 weeks it looks like they are targeting the AB with him. I have convinced myself. Anyone else in the same camp ? Or am I mad ?
                          It's a horrible race for me, horses not good/quick enough for a Turners or Supreme who are largely untried/unproven over the trip, so pulling out a 33/1 poke is certainly not madness.
                          I keep coming back to Jet Blue who has C&D form and, for me, has the best piece of form in the race (boosted by Yellow Car's G2 win) but it wouldn't be a shock if one or more of those campaigned over shorter improve past him for the step up...

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                          • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post

                            It's a horrible race for me, horses not good/quick enough for a Turners or Supreme who are largely untried/unproven over the trip, so pulling out a 33/1 poke is certainly not madness.
                            I keep coming back to Jet Blue who has C&D form and, for me, has the best piece of form in the race (boosted by Yellow Car's G2 win) but it wouldn't be a shock if one or more of those campaigned over shorter improve past him for the step up...
                            I played the Caroline Tisdall trixie yesterday, of Final Demand (Turners), Winbeneathmywings (Bumper) & Jet Blue (Bartlett). She's got some live ones this season.

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                            • Since 2014 there has only been one single figure winner of the bartlett. Monkfish at 5/1.

                              There have been 3 horses win at 33/1 and indo at 50/1.

                              So it's pretty pointless playing the race antepost.

                              Il just be playing a load of the 25.0+ horses on the exchange on the day every year from now on.

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                              • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                                So Willie says Final Demand will not go Albert as you need an experienced horse on the go from early in the season to go to the race as it's brutal.

                                Who does he have that fits that profile?
                                Not a Willie horse but Intense Approach for John McConnell fits the profile - though not a definite runner.

                                9 Runs over hurdles - including a 3m hurdle at Cheltenham in October, then a nice break until reappearing at Musselburgh last week where he easily won the Scottish Stayers Novice again over 3 miles - his best performance to date.

                                John McConnell has a bit of form producing one for the Bartlett at a big price for Caroline Ahearn with similar preps - plenty of summer experience, run at Cheltenham October Meeting, then 1 prep run in February then on to the Bartlett.

                                2022 - Bardenstown Lad - 3rd (20/1) - previous 2 runs 3m Cheltenham October and 3m Musselburgh Feb
                                2021 - Streets of Doyen - 3rd (10/1) - ran 3m Cheltenham October

                                Unfortunately the interview with McConnell afterwards he was a bit meh about even going to Cheltenham with this lad - but NRNB he has the right profile for this to at least run into a place.

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