2025 Novice Hurdlers

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On this subject, Mullins must be a master at getting them calm enough at Cheltenham.
I can't remember many of his short priced horses losing the race before the start.
I know he has an exceptional record for horses priced below 2-1 13/15 and one was Galopin's fall.

I was trying to think of the last second string to win for them in a graded race. Penhill in the AB was all i could come up with and that was ages ago!

[DenmanSacre]

I was trying to think of the last second string to win for them in a graded race. Penhill in the AB was all i could come up with and that was ages ago!

The Nice Guy is another.

[Quevega]

He's won 13/15 with horses priced 2-1 or shorter. El Fabiolo & Galopin the only ones not to win.

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He's won 13/15 with horses priced 2-1 or shorter. El Fabiolo & Galopin the only ones not to win.

They rarely miss then!

[Istabraq]

I was trying to think of the last second string to win for them in a graded race. Penhill in the AB was all i could come up with and that was ages ago!

Ferny Hollow wasn't fav, don't think Impaire et Passe was either....

[ComplyOrDie]

He's won 13/15 with horses priced 2-1 or shorter. El Fabiolo & Galopin the only ones not to win.

Sounds like someone watched 'In The Know' recently

I jest, you may have already been aware of this stat, but it was mentioned on the latest podcast too, I think Tom Segal brought it up.

[Quevega]

Sounds like someone watched 'In The Know' recently

I jest, you may have already been aware of this stat, but it was mentioned on the latest podcast too, I think Tom Segal brought it up.

Yeah I was going to mention where I'd heard it but couldn;t remember. Plagiarist

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He's wiped out nearly 20 percent of my betting bank.

I blame Wille for not running him early in the season. If he had done, his price would have shortened and I wouldn't have kept getting sucked in for more.

Bet365 even pushed him out in price early December so I went in again!

Anyway, I'm over it.......

I'm not up to anything like that sort of level but I've got mundi covered for the supreme, which obviously I'm not too keen on now, i even thought i was topping up Sunday with kopek win today and turners. Wishing you luck with your bets, hopefully you can 20 percent betting bank loss around.

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Would Kilcruit count? Odds on in Bumper after with Townend aboard..

[DenmanSacre]

It's said so much on here that it may as well be gospel, but which was the last horse to win the Turners because they had the best turn of foot? The winners likely had the best turn of foot but it's not really how they won the race.

In the last few, the winners are either clear coming round the bend or already contesting the lead as they come round the bend and then extending down the straight. It's not a race where the horse comes from behind, stalks the leaders jumping the last and shows the turn of speed to win up the hill. Envoi Allen is the last one to come from behind and that's mainly because Davy got caught out and the horse got him out of it.

Ballyburn powered away round the bend. Impaire et Passe was in the lead coming round the bend. Sir Gerhard led coming round the bend. Same for Bob Olinger.

Final Demands just gave a similar type of performance at the weekend. Challenged round the bend. Put most of the lengths into the 2nd in the final furlong. It was a strong staying performance, but he's shown pace to do the last furlong in 15.26 seconds. Hello Neighbour was slower than that off a slower place in the 2m race and he did a better final furlong than the bumper horses on the same day.

I may be talking out my arse but he'd be a confident play in this race on the day based on the likely runners and I'd be looking at the distance bets to get longer odds. I'd like to see Sixmilebridge come here though to set the pace as I'm not sure who else wants to lead and he'd help Final Demand make it a bit more of a test.

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Ferny Hollow wasn't fav, don't think Impaire et Passe was either....

Can't be giving you Ferny as the stable number 1 was riding!. Good memories though.

Impaire was stable number 1 in that Ballymore and PT was on, i think. Patrick got the Gaelic Warrior ride.

[Quevega]

It's said so much on here that it may as well be gospel, but which was the last horse to win the Turners because they had the best turn of foot? The winners likely had the best turn of foot but it's not really how they won the race.

In the last few, the winners are either clear coming round the bend or already contesting the lead as they come round the bend and then extending down the straight. It's not a race where the horse comes from behind, stalks the leaders jumping the last and shows the turn of speed to win up the hill. Envoi Allen is the last one to come from behind and that's mainly because Davy got caught out and the horse got him out of it.

Ballyburn powered away round the bend. Impaire et Passe was in the lead coming round the bend. Sir Gerhard led coming round the bend. Same for Bob Olinger.

Final Demands just gave a similar type of performance at the weekend. Challenged round the bend. Put most of the lengths into the 2nd in the final furlong. It was a strong staying performance, but he's shown pace to do the last furlong in 15.26 seconds. Hello Neighbour was slower than that off a slower place in the 2m race and he did a better final furlong than the bumper horses on the same day.

I may be talking out my arse but he'd be a confident play in this race on the day based on the likely runners and I'd be looking at the distance bets to get longer odds. I'd like to see Sixmilebridge come here though to set the pace as I'm not sure who else wants to lead and he'd help Final Demand make it a bit more of a test.

I agree, he's just got to get the fractions right and gradually up the tempo once they get racing.
The issue is if they don't get racing early enough and that's why the good ones tend to take it up plenty early enough. Relying on Townend really.

Don't want a lifeless non reactionary effort like State Man at Xmas and Gaelic at the weekend.
I'd be pretty sure he's lying when providing excuses as it looked like on both races he was asleep to the threat. Then never moved a muscle.
Like that weird ride Ruby gave Un de Sceaux at cheltenham that time.

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It's said so much on here that it may as well be gospel, but which was the last horse to win the Turners because they had the best turn of foot? The winners likely had the best turn of foot but it's not really how they won the race.

In the last few, the winners are either clear coming round the bend or already contesting the lead as they come round the bend and then extending down the straight. It's not a race where the horse comes from behind, stalks the leaders jumping the last and shows the turn of speed to win up the hill. Envoi Allen is the last one to come from behind and that's mainly because Davy got caught out and the horse got him out of it.

Ballyburn powered away round the bend. Impaire et Passe was in the lead coming round the bend. Sir Gerhard led coming round the bend. Same for Bob Olinger.

Final Demands just gave a similar type of performance at the weekend. Challenged round the bend. Put most of the lengths into the 2nd in the final furlong. It was a strong staying performance, but he's shown pace to do the last furlong in 15.26 seconds. Hello Neighbour was slower than that off a slower place in the 2m race and he did a better final furlong than the bumper horses on the same day.

I may be talking out my arse but he'd be a confident play in this race on the day based on the likely runners and I'd be looking at the distance bets to get longer odds. I'd like to see Sixmilebridge come here though to set the pace as I'm not sure who else wants to lead and he'd help Final Demand make it a bit more of a test.

I think the main point people try to make with this is that the winner usually has 2m form, and is the type of horse that would either go supreme/turners, rather than types who would either go turners/bartlett.

Don't know what the best terminology is to describe it, turn of foot, or to put it simply just faster types. It is just an assumption of course that final demand is the latter type, but he may well be very good over 2m too.

[Istabraq]

Can't be giving you Ferny as the stable number 1 was riding!. Good memories though.

Impaire was stable number 1 in that Ballymore and PT was on, i think. Patrick got the Gaelic Warrior ride.

Yeah I was just recalling their price.
Didn't Mullins have some 50/1 pig win the mares nov hurdle, don't tell me Townend was on that day...

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Yeah I was just recalling their price.
Didn't Mullins have some 50/1 pig win the mares nov hurdle, don't tell me Townend was on that day...

Noel Fehily wasn’t it?