2025 Novice Hurdlers

[Jrow]

Id argue SM would have been equally as impressive today though. The horses in behind are handicappers at best, Kaid D's form took all of the knocks recently and he ran accordingly.

[Exar Essay]

Kopek given an RPR of 153 and Final Demand an RPR of 154 at first blush.

[Irish Rugby]

Willie now probably has 3 top drawer novice hurdlers that need to be split into 2 races. Top class horses though do enter and win the AB, including 2 subsequent GC winners, Bobs Worth and Minella Indo.

Mullins has had 3 winners of the AB thus far.

It is as if everyone has forgotten Mundi exists this weekend. Where does he sit in the pecking order now?

As someone said above, Paul will want to sit on the best come race day and there is 5 weeks to go for all to be still in tip top state.

[BuckingThe Trend]

7/2 NRNB for the Turners for Kopek Des Bordes is absolutely massive after that



and 7.75/1 the NRNB Supreme (KDB) / Turners (FD)

Impossible not to play at those

I've got Kopek Des Bordes at 25/1 for Turner's and Final Demand at 33/1 for the Albert Bartlett. Both Singles EW placed November/December. The DRF has got me in a right state of perplexity. I need cover to allow me to sleep at night. I'm going to do your Double and throw in Constitution Hill and Galopin Des Camps for a x4 Win Acca. Obviously not going to bother with NRNB with the original Single bets as Plan A. Thanks for the wake up call. I'll sleep better tonight. Willie can do whatever he likes. I'm covered.

[That Horse]

Can anyone translate this Townend quote for me please?

"I never had to dip him at all. I thought we were hacking, but he was running away with me in the back straight. There aren't many who can do that."

Does it mean even though Kopek was cruising, he was going faster than PT wanted and PT couldn't slow him any more?

Secondary question... If a horse is hacking, rather than pulling, does that use less energy?

I don't really understand some of the terms used by people within horseracing but from my own eyes, it was clear Paul T was fighting to keep the horse under control (to an extent) and the horse wanted to go quicker and the horse won the argument. You could see in real time where the reins were in Paul's hands, the horse didn't seem relaxed and normally, that kind of horse would blow up at some point and lose the race. However, KDB doesn't look like a normal horse from the evidence shown today.

[Kevloaf]

Willie now probably has 3 top drawer novice hurdlers that need to be split into 2 races. Top class horses though do enter and win the AB, including 2 subsequent GC winners, Bobs Worth and Minella Indo.

Mullins has had 3 winners of the AB this far.

It is as if everyone has forgotten Mundi exists this weekend. Where does he sit in the pecking order now?

As someone said above, Paul will want to sit on the best come race day and there is 5 weeks to go for all to be still in tip top state.

Well it's quite clear he sits very clearly behind them

They've now got much better form

Salvator Mundi wouldn't be anyone's top 2, unless they've already backed him. He's not 'forgotten', he's surpassed

They are the facts and will be hard for some to admit

[ComplyOrDie]

Id argue SM would have been equally as impressive today though. The horses in behind are handicappers at best, Kaid D's form took all of the knocks recently and he ran accordingly.

Kaid, a bit like Kel Histoire and Kawaboomga were all JP horses that were seemingly well fancied on here but all failed, at some point, to prove to be good enough. Probably a bit harsh on Kawaboomga as he came good the next day and ran into Kopek on yard debut, but they are where they are now.

I'm surprised I was able to cash Kaid today for stakes back. I was very doubtful about him as I had said once before, but I was reluctant to cash a 50/1 ticket pre race so feel quite fortunate I was still able to get out afterwards.

[Odin]

I don't really understand some of the terms used by people within horseracing but from my own eyes, it was clear Paul T was fighting to keep the horse under control (to an extent) and the horse wanted to go quicker and the horse won the argument. You could see in real time where the reins were in Paul's hands, the horse didn't seem relaxed and normally, that kind of horse would blow up at some point and lose the race. However, KDB doesn't look like a normal horse from the evidence shown today.

Yeah, I agree - it was as obvious a Supreme performance as I have seen while I've been following antepost (last 3-4 years). Just thought the terminology was strange, but on reflection, the "hacking" probably refers to the whole pack, rather than KDB per se.

Ah well, up in smoke go all my lifechangers - didn't expect that to happen because one of the horses won too well

[riccirich]

Mullins bingo surely can't be over this early can it?

There has to be another twist.

[Odin]

Well it's quite clear he sits very clearly behind them

They've now got much better form

Salvator Mundi wouldn't be anyone's top 2, unless they've already backed him. He's not 'forgotten', he's surpassed

They are the facts and will be hard for some to admit

Is the bigger question how much behind KDB is he relative to the Bartlett horse behind Final Demand (as the other race both horses could go for) or do you think that's moot now? I'd lean towards it being a moot point

[That Horse]

Yeah, I agree - it was as obvious a Supreme performance as I have seen while I've been following antepost (last 3-4 years). Just thought the terminology was strange, but on reflection, the "hacking" probably refers to the whole pack, rather than KDB per se.

Ah well, up in smoke go all my lifechangers - didn't expect that to happen because one of the horses won too well

I learned a bit from my bets last year to have the likes of KDB covered for both races but that was singles. Like you, my multis with him are mainly for the turners so potentially up in smoke but that's antepost for you. He's still to get there and line up no matter what.

It's not as a reaction to today because I'm content enough with what I have plus covering him with the likes of Final Demand but I really am giving serious thought to just saving my betting bank for NRNB markets next year and going with bigger stakes at that point. I doubt FOMO will let me though

[Kevloaf]

Is the bigger question how much behind KDB is he relative to the Bartlett horse behind Final Demand (as the other race both horses could go for) or do you think that's moot now? I'd lean towards it being a moot point

Yeah, I'd say it's moot now

I suppose for everyone's bets to click in to place, Salvator Mundi would need to probably come out again, just so slickly and thrash a field, and be working the absolute house down

and the rest all stay fit

[Rooster Booster]

Mullins bingo surely can't be over this early can it?

There has to be another twist.

You underestimate our capacity to stretch this out

[riccirich]

You underestimate our capacity to stretch this out

Paul will want to ride all three.
They can have a "pacemaker" for kopek in the turners.
Final demand doesn't have the turn of foot needed for the turners.

Theres something to stretch it out. should keep everyone occupied for the next few hours

[Kevloaf]

Is Kopek Des Bordes a good thing at 6/4 NRNB in the Supreme?