2025 Novice Hurdlers

[AaronLad]

Yates and no doubt JP are already on for the Turners... He won't be rerouted. Ladbrokes probably told Skeltons to namedrop the Supreme so they get some more liability back Antepost!!

NRNB fair enough, but plenty would see the 25s non nrnb and think I'll cover that too.

How much could Yates realistically stand to win from a single bet, £50,000 tops and even that is probably over estimating.
when compared with the potential 1,000,000 the horse probably exchanged hands for, it's relative peanuts.
Jp loves a supreme winner, he loves all Cheltenham wins but I'm sure he'd rank the supreme higher than turners.
They, jp and yates also have an opportunity to back him for the Supreme now at 25/1, you say, so I'm not sure how you can be so certain of ruling it out, just because Yates backed him for the turners.

[DenmanSacre]

I think The New Lion would get run out of it in the Supreme. Easy to travel with ease over 2m4 early season against the UK plodders but different pace in the Supreme. If they were really going to consider the Supreme, I'd have thought he would have at least started over 2m.

He looks like a proper bridle/travelly horse, which I'd see more as a Turners horse than a Supreme.

I don't think Skelton is one to second guess himself now after plotting for the Turners and he'll probably be saying the same to JP. But as always, JP and his team will have their own ideas.

Does anyone know if they ever get Walsh to travel over and ride the English ones to see how they compare to the Irish ones he rides?

[Quevega]

I think The New Lion would get run out of it in the Supreme. Easy to travel with ease over 2m4 early season against the UK plodders but different pace in the Supreme. If they were really going to consider the Supreme, I'd have thought he would have at least started over 2m.

He looks like a proper bridle/travelly horse, which I'd see more as a Turners horse than a Supreme.

I don't think Skelton is one to second guess himself now after plotting for the Turners and he'll probably be saying the same to JP. But as always, JP and his team will have their own ideas.

Does anyone know if they ever get Walsh to travel over and ride the English ones to see how they compare to the Irish ones he rides?

He has done
but quite often someone else uk based has first dibs anyhow
like Skelton in this case

[DenmanSacre]

He has done
but quite often someone else uk based has first dibs anyhow
like Skelton in this case

Sorry wasn't clear. I meant does Walsh travel over to ride them in some work so he can give JP his opinion on the horse compared to the Irish ones he has ridden. So if he's ridden Kaid and Kel, he can ride The New Lion in a piece of work and then see how they compare. I doubt he does but didn't know the answer.

[Quevega]

Sorry wasn't clear. I meant does Walsh travel over to ride them in some work so he can give JP his opinion on the horse compared to the Irish ones he has ridden. So if he's ridden Kaid and Kel, he can ride The New Lion in a piece of work and then see how they compare. I doubt he does but didn't know the answer.

Funnily enough, I was going to type - Why ? do you think he has a magic arse ?

I'm sure from time to time if the opportunity arises then they may ask jockeys to give their thoughts, especially if asked to do serious work.
I doubt Walsh or any jockey are that good of a judge to be of any real use though IMO.
Unless the difference in ability/class is obvious.

[Eggs]

Final Demand in demand. Now Albert fav in a few places

….also only 8-1 NRNB for Turners (20-1 best ante-post). Won well on debut over 2m 5f and entered for Nathaniel Lacy over 2m 6f suggests AB but maybe another for Mullins bingo.

[DenmanSacre]

Funnily enough, I was going to type - Why ? do you think he has a magic arse ?

I'm sure from time to time if the opportunity arises then they may ask jockeys to give their thoughts, especially if asked to do serious work.
I doubt Walsh or any jockey are that good of a judge to be of any real use though IMO.
Unless the difference in ability/class is obvious.

Tbh, if I was Walsh and I fancied Kaid to win the Supreme for example, you'd just tell them to go to the Turners with The New Lion, no matter what you actually thought after sitting on him. I'm sure Harry would say the same if Dan's got another one he wants to run in the Supreme.

DOC told them Corbetts Cross didn't feel like a stayer and they've ignored him so probably couldn't care less what Walsh thinks actually.

[EnvoiAlien]

Funnily enough, I was going to type - Why ? do you think he has a magic arse ?

I'm sure from time to time if the opportunity arises then they may ask jockeys to give their thoughts, especially if asked to do serious work.
I doubt Walsh or any jockey are that good of a judge to be of any real use though IMO.
Unless the difference in ability/class is obvious.

Of course jockeys are asked to ride work, if they work for the trainer they're on horses everyday for gallops,even more so when major targets are approaching,
Of course their opinions are invited,its half of what they're retained and paid for,the raceday stuff is half or less than of why they're retained in the first place.
Pretty sure when Ruby had a leg in the two top yards he was still riding work for both between going racing.
A good trainer knows that he is only seeing frrom the ground,its from the back that you get the feedback they want passed on.

I'd be certain all of Willies & Elliotts retained riders are there every morning doing much the same as every other rider on site (Patrick looks the most likely to be a late comer to my eye though haha ) ,they might not tack up themselves but usually thats the preserve of jockeys who think a bit of themselves which is a vibe I dont get from the Irish riders.

[Quevega]

Of course jockeys are asked to ride work, if they work for the trainer they're on horses everyday for gallops,even more so when major targets are approaching,
Of course their opinions are invited,its half of what they're retained and paid for,the raceday stuff is half or less than of why they're retained in the first place.
Pretty sure when Ruby had a leg in the two top yards he was still riding work for both between going racing.
A good trainer knows that he is only seeing frrom the ground,its from the back that you get the feedback they want passed on.

I'd be certain all of Willies & Elliotts retained riders are there every morning doing much the same as every other rider on site (Patrick looks the most likely to be a late comer to my eye though haha ) ,they might not tack up themselves but usually thats the preserve of jockeys who think a bit of themselves which is a vibe I dont get from the Irish riders.

All understood.
I'm certain of all that also.
Pretty basic stuff.

The original question was related to if Mark Walsh would go over to the UK and ride work on the New Lion to give JP feedback and a comparison vs the Irish based horses ?
When H Skelton has the ride and is in that yard daily anyway.

For example - would Walsh be used by JP in this scenario to ascertain which horse is best and suited for what race ?

He might do, of course, never any harm to let your Irish based retained rider get a feel for a uK based horse he might have to ride in case of injury or suspension, but IMO in the scenario described. I'd doubt it happens that often and would doubt how much it would impact decisions.
Unless he does indeed have a magic arse, or JP thinks he has.

[JackieMoon33]

….also only 8-1 NRNB for Turners (20-1 best ante-post). Won well on debut over 2m 5f and entered for Nathaniel Lacy over 2m 6f suggests AB but maybe another for Mullins bingo.

I'd say his Festival target will be linked to how KDB gets on at DRF. If KDB and Final Demand both win at DRF then PT will want to ride them both, plus Salv in the Supreme.

[EnvoiAlien]

All understood.
I'm certain of all that also.
Pretty basic stuff.

The original question was related to if Mark Walsh would go over to the UK and ride work on the New Lion to give JP feedback and a comparison vs the Irish based horses ?
When H Skelton has the ride and is in that yard daily anyway.

For example - would Walsh be used by JP in this scenario to ascertain which horse is best and suited for what race ?

He might do, of course, never any harm to let your Irish based retained rider get a feel for a uK based horse he might have to ride in case of injury or suspension, but IMO in the scenario described. I'd doubt it happens that often and would doubt how much it would impact decisions.
Unless he does indeed have a magic arse, or JP thinks he has.

Ah apologies, I missed that part, I can't see Mark coming over for a sit myself, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen, I mean if Frank gets an itch the Skeltons would be hard pushed to say no if they did want Walsh to have a sit.

[Quevega]

Ah apologies, I missed that part, I can't see Mark coming over for a sit myself, but that doesn't mean it couldn't happen, I mean if Frank gets an itch the Skeltons would be hard pushed to say no if they did want Walsh to have a sit.

No worries, I'd expect him to have a sit to be fair, it would make sense to have a trip over and sit on a few of the UK horses he might be riding or need to deputise on at the festival, including Jonbon etc.
I just doubted it would be for that specific purpose.

[Guinness Village]

Bit of luvvin for the Romeo today

[Lobos]

While Connell does not have Cheltenham aspirations for Good Land, the same cannot be said of his stablemate William Munny.
The dual bumper winner finished best of the rest behind the impressive Workahead on his hurdling debut at Leopardstown’s Christmas Festival and his owner-trainer believes he could yet earn himself a shot at the Supreme Novices’ Hurdle if he can learn to settle.

Connell said: “He ran a good race, but he never gave the rider any chance – he pulled solidly for two miles.

“Finny (Maguire) could never get his hands down on his neck. He was obviously very keen in his bumpers and I thought the hurdles might settle him down. Maybe next time he’ll learn to settle a bit.

“We still feel that he’s a horse with the ability to be very competitive in a Supreme Novices’, but he just needs to learn to drop in and learn to settle.

“We’ll find a maiden hurdle in the new year and we’re still looking at Cheltenham with him.”

[darlojim]

Jeroboam Machin not in training and won't be seen until next season (if we even do at any point)

Won't be a shock to anyone that information.