2025 Novice Hurdlers

[Speedy17]

Sir Gerhard went 2m, 2m, 2m5f (Ballymore). If anything is looking at going the Sir Gerhard route it would be Kel & Kopek, IMO.

Despite the Moscow Flyer > Supreme route noted, he's had as many Turners winners (2) from the Moscow Flyer route as he has Supreme (2).

I think it's very much a case of fitting them all in somewhere.

I get your point, but I think the route they've gone is more important than how many have won the Supreme/Turners. Also if Kel was to beat Mundi on Sunday, I think you'll see him not only becoming Willies #1 for the Supreme, but can't see any world where JP sends him against The New Lion. But this all depends on what happens Sunday!

[Istabraq]

Also if Kel was to beat Mundi on Sunday,

We'll have less of that sort of chat please....

[Speedy17]

We'll have less of that sort of chat please....

I see over half the forum are on Mundi I'm not one of them!! Got a few quid on Kel at 50s for the Supreme so interested to see how it all pans out.

[Craigy14]

To me it looks a bit of a carbon copy of 2022, Kel Histoire is taking the Dysart Dynamo route, and Kaid Dauthie is taking the Sir Gerhard route.

Out of Mullins last 7 winners of the Moscow Flyer, only IEP went to the Ballymore, the rest all went to the Supreme.

Remember since the introduction of the DRF that has changed where WPM’s Supreme horse usually runs as well.

DRF 2m race, usually is his supreme horse race but he has that many horses since its inception they all have to run somewhere.

He hasn’t won the Supreme since Appreciate It so it’s been a while, who went DRF 2m, Sir G went DRF 2m and dodged Constitution Hill.

Facile Vega also 2m DRF.

[Istabraq]

I see over half the forum are on Mundi I'm not one of them!! Got a few quid on Kel at 50s for the Supreme so interested to see how it all pans out.

I'd say it's closer 75%.....

Just checked, I also have a small 50s voucher on Kel Histoire, don't remember doing that.
I wasn't wowed by his maiden win, maybe it was a Mark Walsh thing but I'd be surprised if he improved enough to be a player here.
Happy to buy you a pint if he does land a Supreme though....

[ComplyOrDie]

I get your point, but I think the route they've gone is more important than how many have won the Supreme/Turners. Also if Kel was to beat Mundi on Sunday, I think you'll see him not only becoming Willies #1 for the Supreme, but can't see any world where JP sends him against The New Lion. But this all depends on what happens Sunday!

If Kel beats Mundi then Willie will be sending Kopek to the Supreme or he won't be winning it

[Yosser]

If Kel beats Mundi then Willie will be sending Kopek to the Supreme or he won't be winning it

But also if Mundi beats a race fit Kel first time out then he is a weapon and Kel will be off to the Turners.................. sorry Lobos

[Quevega]

If Kel beats Mundi then Willie will be sending Kopek to the Supreme or he won't be winning it

You talking like Jps horses aren’t willies also ?

[AnFiieLD.]

My early predictions if Mundi delivers the goods: I’d say the only chance of Kel Histoire going supreme would be if he beats Mundi convincingly

Supreme:
Mundi (Townend)
Kaid D’authie (Walsh)

Turners:
Kopek Des Bordes (Townend)
Kel Histoire (Walsh)

TNL (Skelton)

[ComplyOrDie]

You talking like Jps horses aren’t willies also ?

I'm talking how I rate them

[ComplyOrDie]

My early predictions if Mundi delivers the goods: I’d say the only chance of Kel Histoire going supreme would be if he beats Mundi convincingly

Supreme:
Mundi (Townend)
Kaid D’authie (Walsh)

Turners:
Kopek Des Bordes (Townend)
Kel Histoire (Walsh)

TNL (Skelton)

This is exactly now I see it too.

They might roll the dice with Jasmin in the Turners too, thats purely a hope on my part

[Quevega]

I'm talking how I rate them

You think kopek beats kaid ?

[ComplyOrDie]

You think kopek beats kaid ?

Yeah, I do, although have both backed so not bothered either way.

Haven't got Kaid covered for the Turners as I don't think he'll end up there.

[DenmanSacre]

Is Kel definitely going to the Moscow Flyer? He could go to the rearranged Munster Hurdle still.

[darlojim]

Is Kel definitely going to the Moscow Flyer? He could go to the rearranged Munster Hurdle still.

With him being JPs only entry, I'd assume so myself.