2025 Novice Hurdlers

[Speedy17]

Fabulous. Well done Speedy. You've got some ticket there !

Sorry just realised it's actually 33/1, done him to win his last race at Newbury & Turners 33/1... Bonus!

[Runragged]

Can't help but be impressed with The New Lion, cruising on the bridle will do that in a grade 1. Initial thoughts was the race was strong with Regents Stroll and Bill Joyce both highly respected. However, Regents Stroll was far too keen and the yards runners have struggled over the Xmas period. Bill Joyce just didn't seem the same horse we had seen at Sandown. Possible this race came too soon for him. For me, The New Lion will be typical of a Challow winner in the Turners. Can see him running on for a place but will just find one or two too quick. Whether that is an Irish horse or another British one (Potters Charm) we shall see. Least it will mean I should keep getting a good price on Potters Charm for the multiples!

[Lobos]

Who!!!!!!!

[Lobos]

Of course, The New Lion has to break the most confusing stat of all........


21 winners of the Challow Hurdle have gone on to run in the Turners Novice Hurdle and all 21 have failed to win.

Someone please try to explain how/why that is ??

[Eggs]

Of course, The New Lion has to break the most confusing stat of all........


21 winners of the Challow Hurdle have gone on to run in the Turners Novice Hurdle and all 21 have failed to win.

Someone please try to explain how/why that is ??

….i’d imagine that Irish horses not running in The Challow might partly have something to do with it.

[opatcho]

For me, the challow tends to need a staying type, a horse that would probably bet better suited for the AB

with the timing of the race, ground has been testing, likely bottoming out winners of that race ahead of the fez

and being on a galloping track, the Turners Novice being suited to those with tactic pace. I dont think the challow is the right race to generate Turners novices winners, similar
to the King George and GC

add to that, GB novices have been a little crap

now… this trend will be broken at some point and I think it will go when the Irish lack any depth or superstar - this could be the year but I if someone fancies the likes of potters or lion then I’d wait until closer the day and try and get a bigger price

[Lobos]

….i’d imagine that Irish horses not running in The Challow might partly have something to do with it.

A great reply Eggs

[Lobos]

For me, the challow tends to need a staying type, a horse that would probably bet better suited for the AB

with the timing of the race, ground has been testing, likely bottoming out winners of that race ahead of the fez

and being on a galloping track, the Turners Novice being suited to those with tactic pace. I dont think the challow is the right race to generate Turners novices winners, similar
to the King George and GC

add to that, GB novices have been a little crap

now… this trend will be broken at some point and I think it will go when the Irish lack any depth or superstar - this could be the year but I if someone fancies the likes of potters or lion then I’d wait until closer the day and try and get a bigger price

Another great reply. Be interesting how many Challows have been run on deep winter ground over the years. This year could be an exception.

[FinalFurlong91]

Of course, The New Lion has to break the most confusing stat of all........


21 winners of the Challow Hurdle have gone on to run in the Turners Novice Hurdle and all 21 have failed to win.

Someone please try to explain how/why that is ??

The Challow is usually won by a stayer

Big long Newbury straight on winter ground can be a right slog. Also leads to exaggerated winning margins, making horses that aren't superstars look like one.

Come Cheltenham in the spring they get beat by horses with a better turn of foot.

The new lion was incredibly impressive, he doesn't look slow to me. He could've won that race by triple the distance he did if harry had wanted to. I really hope he's a proper quality horse because skelton deserves the chance to show what he can do with a superstar.

[Runragged]

For me, the challow tends to need a staying type, a horse that would probably bet better suited for the AB

with the timing of the race, ground has been testing, likely bottoming out winners of that race ahead of the fez

and being on a galloping track, the Turners Novice being suited to those with tactic pace. I dont think the challow is the right race to generate Turners novices winners, similar
to the King George and GC

add to that, GB novices have been a little crap

now… this trend will be broken at some point and I think it will go when the Irish lack any depth or superstar - this could be the year but I if someone fancies the likes of potters or lion then I’d wait until closer the day and try and get a bigger price

Agree a lot with this. Just looked through the last ten winners of the Challow, only two had winning form at 2m-2m 1f over hurdles prior to the race. Parlour Games, who was 2nd to Windsor Park after the winner got first run, and Bravemansgame who won a pretty weak novice at Exeter at beginning of November over 2m 1f and ended up 3rd to Bob Olinger and Gaillard Du Mesnil at Cheltenham.

[Killiney]

Did anyone back The New Lion AP??

I have covered for both the Turners and Bartlett . Backed up again today with 28/1 on offer (WTAF) with WH. Looks to me as though Skelton will be the UK trainer to hold the flag at the festival.

[Killiney]

Don't be silly Lobos!

You know Challow Hurdle winner don't win the Turners!

Get him in the Bartlett

Whilst the Challow stat is a significant one I think it mainly holds up because traditionally the ground has been soft to heavy. Running in it can bottom a horse. This year maybe very different. That ground does not compare with the usual Challow ground. In addition he did not look to have a hard race. Skelton quite rightly (in my opinion) stating he will go straight for The Turners. Ignore him at your peril (in my book).

[AaronLad]

….i’d imagine that Irish horses not running in The Challow might partly have something to do with it.

Partly but not entirely.
21 years is going back a long time...
the Irish weren't always so dominant.
but the Challow is quite clearly a difficult race to win and follow up at the festival
even an all time great denman didn't accomplish such an elusive double.
the new lion? Same old story

[Carnage at Taunton]

I have covered for both the Turners and Bartlett . Backed up again today with 28/1 on offer (WTAF) with WH. Looks to me as though Skelton will be the UK trainer to hold the flag at the festival.

Not so sure myself
Hendo has two shorties on the First day and another fav on the second.

[opatcho]

Mullins, Henderson, Skeltons

that’s the starting point when running through the fez race card

Elliott and Nichols have fallen away