2025 Novice Hurdlers

[Speedy17]

That's a well thought out response

But let me remind you, the horse that you think is 'crap' was only 7 odd lengths behind your 'good thing' for the Turners, despite pulling like a train.

He should have lost by 20+ lengths, so it doesn't bode well for The New Lion if he's only beating a crap horse by 7 lengths.

One was breezing down the straight in third gear and the other was flat to the boards. I'm not going to slag too much, but Fergy said Regents Stroll & Caldwell Potter are his worst signings since Kleberson & Eric Djemba-Djemba.

[Lobos]

https://x.com/ToteRacing/status/1883...185357677?s=19

Danny Mullins' 1-2-3 novice hurdles at Willies.

I love Mundi's.

They know. He just wins doesn't he.

[DenmanSacre]

That's a well thought out response

But let me remind you, the horse that you think is 'crap' was only 7 odd lengths behind your 'good thing' for the Turners, despite pulling like a train.

He should have lost by 20+ lengths, so it doesn't bode well for The New Lion if he's only beating a crap horse by 7 lengths.

100/1 available when you first stated the case as well.

Potters Charm obviously let down the related form with the Greatrex horse yesterday but Regents Stroll destroyed the Greatrex horse who we may see at the DRF and give some sort of link between the British and Irish.

If RS was with Mullins, he would have kept him at 2m. Nicholls has a hard on for the Challow so put him in it when he doesn't race like his other Challow winners.

Not sure where RS will go next but he won't be beat over 2m by anything in Britain.

[Lobos]

Yeah, Nigel has come out and said as much.

Pretty much showed showed hand with him now too. Didn't like the strong enough pace amd couldn't stay on quick enough to mount any challenge. Surprised they are still thinking about the Turners, and he's one I've backed that can't cash out, so it would be in my interest for me him to at least turn up in the Turners.

That wasn't his form yesterday. Looked beat a long way out. Simply wasn't ready to race. Clearly been trained to go straight there and then got greedy and thought they'd pick up this prize along the way. Huge error. Very basic error and just shouldn't have happened. That could be it for him at the Fez now and they can't turn the clock back.

[ComplyOrDie]

100/1 available when you first stated the case as well.

Potters Charm obviously let down the related form with the Greatrex horse yesterday but Regents Stroll destroyed the Greatrex horse who we may see at the DRF and give some sort of link between the British and Irish.

If RS was with Mullins, he would have kept him at 2m. Nicholls has a hard on for the Challow so put him in it when he doesn't race like his other Challow winners.

Not sure where RS will go next but he won't be beat over 2m by anything in Britain.

Yeah, and Bill Joyce let down all of the form too. The winner has actually done it really well though, albeit getting 5lbs from the 2nd and 3rd.

I thought Regent's Stroll should have gone for the Formby, but as you say, Nicholls seems to be a man of habit and sent him to the wrong race, typically.

We will see what he's made of next time out over 2m.

[ComplyOrDie]

That wasn't his form yesterday. Looked beat a long way out. Simply wasn't ready to race. Clearly been trained to go straight there and then got greedy and thought they'd pick up this prize along the way. Huge error. Very basic error and just shouldn't have happened. That could be it for him at the Fez now and they can't turn the clock back.

Yeah, maybe.

As an E/W backers I'll be amazed if I'm collecting any pennies on him now come the festival though.

[YoungHustler]

Form and price, at the moment.
And still doubts about what he'll really find off the bridle when required.
Had JP not bought him he'd be double the current price he is, and go off bigger in the day.
It's a question of how much belief connections have on the day now as to what happens with his price, but on form alone he should be bigger, and at least 2 horses will have much better form come next Sunday.

I was fortunate to get on him after his win last time when Ladbrokes were asleep, and have also backed Potters.
But I would not be even considering backing either if the race was today. At the prices.

Agree with the form but running sideways on purpose and coasting home in the Challow was so so impressive. He's not your typical Challow winner either as he has speed so that's why some have covered him for the Supreme.

I have no doubts he will find plenty off the bridle. Just watch his first and 3rd runs. These were slow run races ending in a sprint so he's had to be asked and worked to win.

I'd still prefer a Kopek win though!

[Lobos]

Yeah, maybe.

As an E/W backers I'll be amazed if I'm collecting any pennies on him now come the festival though.

Agree. Increases the chances of others around him that we've backed so always a silver lining!

[Runragged]

RPRs have Potters Charm, Bill Joyce and Quebecois running close to their form already shown.

[AaronLad]

I don't think the winner from yesterday's novice hurdle at Cheltenham is getting enough credit here.
I think those in behind have all run their race.

Yes Potters charm looked good early season, but since going against better horses he's not quite looked so good. He's my only bet for the turners so I'm disappointed.
I know he carried 5lb more than the winner but I can't see him turning that around.

Bill joyce in 3rd has finished 1 length ahead of quebecois carrying 5lb more, confirming the form of their sandown race.
I'd say the going would have been more to his liking yesterday than the quicker surface in the Challow.


On a day fergel realised he probably won't be gettimg his first festival winner with crambo , has sixmilebridge given him a live chance in the Turners novice hurdle?

[jrjr]

Trainer said TYC is going turners after his last run,or did I dream that?
Connections have Wingmen for AB

You’re correct, Gordon did say Turners but I think he might change his mind, especially if Kopek is impressive at DRF (which my original précis was based upon).

In the context of backing Kopek for the Turners, The Yellow Clay isn’t one I personally worry about - would back him for the Bartlett and think he’d have a very good chance of winning it.

[Runragged]

I don't think the winner from yesterday's novice hurdle at Cheltenham is getting enough credit here.
I think those in behind have all run their race.

Yes Potters charm looked good early season, but since going against better horses he's not quite looked so good. He's my only bet for the turners so I'm disappointed.
I know he carried 5lb more than the winner but I can't see him turning that around.

Bill joyce in 3rd has finished 1 length ahead of quebecois carrying 5lb more, confirming the form of their sandown race.
I'd say the going would have been more to his liking yesterday than the quicker surface in the Challow.


On a day fergel realised he probably won't be gettimg his first festival winner with crambo , has sixmilebridge given him a live chance in the Turners novice hurdle?

I'm not convinced it was Potters Charm at his best, but like you say, maybe it is just a case of being better suited beating up weaker opposition. He certainly didn't travel as well as he had done previously.

Problem for me with Sixmilebridge is that running style isn't really typical of a Turners winner. Does he have that turn of foot often required? Not convinced on that. However, he does also hold a Supreme entry which would be more appealing to me.

[Lobos]

I don't think the winner from yesterday's novice hurdle at Cheltenham is getting enough credit here.
I think those in behind have all run their race.

Yes Potters charm looked good early season, but since going against better horses he's not quite looked so good. He's my only bet for the turners so I'm disappointed.
I know he carried 5lb more than the winner but I can't see him turning that around.

Bill joyce in 3rd has finished 1 length ahead of quebecois carrying 5lb more, confirming the form of their sandown race.
I'd say the going would have been more to his liking yesterday than the quicker surface in the Challow.


On a day fergel realised he probably won't be gettimg his first festival winner with crambo , has sixmilebridge given him a live chance in the Turners novice hurdle?

Wouldn't be taking anything out of yesterday's race personally. Didn't feel like it was up to Festival standard the way it was run.

[Kevloaf]

You’re correct, Gordon did say Turners but I think he might change his mind, especially if Kopek is impressive at DRF (which my original précis was based upon).

In the context of backing Kopek for the Turners, The Yellow Clay isn’t one I personally worry about - would back him for the Bartlett and think he’d have a very good chance of winning it.

What will Gordon run in the Turners then do you think?

[ComplyOrDie]

What will Gordon run in the Turners then do you think?

It's true.

Even as a keen believer and backer of The Yellow Clay for the Bartlett I'm now just hoping somehow he changes his mind, but he's got more Bartlett types that Turners types, so very unlikely to happen.

Started chucking some freebies at him for the race now.