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2025 Novice Hurdlers

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  • Originally posted by darlojim View Post
    Jeroboam Machin not in training and won't be seen until next season (if we even do at any point)

    Won't be a shock to anyone that information.​
    At least he is alive !

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    • Originally posted by Wayward Lad View Post

      At least he is alive !
      Is he though..

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      • Originally posted by darlojim View Post

        Is he though..
        Lack of transparency from that yard stinks, for what it's worth, when I got told by the person who told me about maughreen and future prospect about jeroboam, they also told me in the same message that firm footings also passed away shortly after the dispersal sale, which is making sense as he hasn't been seen on the track either since then

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        • Lovely IRE debut for Funiculi Funicula

          They've gone a fair gallop from the off there, and any questions on his fitness would have been put to the test there
          Be interesting to see if the times back that visual performance up

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          • Originally posted by darlojim View Post
            Lovely IRE debut for Funiculi Funicula

            They've gone a fair gallop from the off there, and any questions on his fitness would have been put to the test there
            Be interesting to see if the times back that visual performance up
            Yeah, he's beaten a 120 horse easily, outstaying him. They've really gone for it from early on too. I'd love to see the how quickly they went from the first hurdle to the second last compared to the Munster Hurdle.

            Edit: 16/1 with some looks very skinny. Not sure it was a Supreme performance.

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            • 25L ahead coming to the 2nd last with a circuit to go (FF)
              2nd away from the stands 30L ish?
              3rd away from stands 30L minimum
              at the hurdle with Buntings mistake 35L
              20L coming down the hill
              2nd last 20L
              at the last 12L ahead
              line 8-10L ahead

              Funiculi carried 11-12
              Beckett/Bunting 11-12


              Thats just off the eye replaying first time round - but thats a serious serious debut from Funiculi funicula

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              • Slower than the Mares maiden (granted they carried less).

                It was a decent starting performance but the race was poor (Hitak was a Hunter chaser last year wasn't he in second?).

                He was pretty tired towards the end. Not one I'd be looking at for the Supreme or a grade 1 going forwards.

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                • Originally posted by darlojim View Post
                  25L ahead coming to the 2nd last with a circuit to go (FF)
                  2nd away from the stands 30L ish?
                  3rd away from stands 30L minimum
                  at the hurdle with Buntings mistake 35L
                  20L coming down the hill
                  2nd last 20L
                  at the last 12L ahead
                  line 8-10L ahead

                  Funiculi carried 11-12
                  Beckett/Bunting 11-12


                  Thats just off the eye replaying first time round - but thats a serious serious debut from Funiculi funicula
                  Is it of that much benefit comparing the times with a prior race though, when he had a horse in second coming to the last who's rating we know to be low 120s? It would seem a much easier way to assess his performance?

                  Without going back and looking at the race again, he was probably going to win by 10-15l if addragoole stayed up if i remember right? Which would make it a 130s performance on paper maybe? My first impression was that he was good and professional, but without a real wow factor.

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                  • Looked absolutely out of oxygen jumping the last. Don't view that as a Festival winner at all.

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                    • Originally posted by riccirich View Post

                      Is it of that much benefit comparing the times with a prior race though, when he had a horse in second coming to the last who's rating we know to be low 120s? It would seem a much easier way to assess his performance?

                      Without going back and looking at the race again, he was probably going to win by 10-15l if addragoole stayed up if i remember right? Which would make it a 130s performance on paper maybe? My first impression was that he was good and professional, but without a real wow factor.
                      Something I always do is watch the races side by side as it gives a good view as to exactly how they're ran. Was obviously noticeable how quick they went in FF but I thought the Munster race would have closed the gap much more than they did coming down the hill.

                      Yeah he'd have beat an avg yardstick in 2nd easily, he was left legless after going that pace in the race. 140ish performance for me personally, just 2nd lifetime start also so plenty upside in him

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                      • Townend said:- “He’s a nice horse and on the form of the race in France he was entitled to do that. What he had been showing us at home was nice.

                        “I thought we went a good gallop for the ground, and we were spread out the length of Clonmel.


                        “You are probably going quicker than you feel on him. Everything is very natural and very easy to him.

                        “We like him a lot and hopefully he has a bright future

                        Very positive

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                        • Originally posted by darlojim View Post

                          Something I always do is watch the races side by side as it gives a good view as to exactly how they're ran. Was obviously noticeable how quick they went in FF but I thought the Munster race would have closed the gap much more than they did coming down the hill.

                          Yeah he'd have beat an avg yardstick in 2nd easily, he was left legless after going that pace in the race. 140ish performance for me personally, just 2nd lifetime start also so plenty upside in him
                          The Mares went quicker though and the winner of that was a poor bumper horse. You'd have to rate her pretty well to get a 140ish performance as it's not like he's cantered home on the bridle.

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                          • Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post

                            The Mares went quicker though and the winner of that was a poor bumper horse. You'd have to rate her pretty well to get a 140ish performance as it's not like he's cantered home on the bridle.
                            That bumper run was shocking though. Her form through Karniquet is better. And she was carrying 18lb less than Funicula today. I'd say it's a low 130's performance.

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                            • Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post

                              That bumper run was shocking though. Her form through Karniquet is better. And she was carrying 18lb less than Funicula today. I'd say it's a low 130's performance.
                              Yeah 130ish seems ok to me but that would be the max Id rate it. As I said, not one I'd fancy in a grade 1 but maybe he's got more to come.

                              The winner of the mares was battered by Blue Velvet and Amen Kate in bumpers and Karniquet isn't a horse I'd particularly like either.

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                              • Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post

                                The Mares went quicker though and the winner of that was a poor bumper horse. You'd have to rate her pretty well to get a 140ish performance as it's not like he's cantered home on the bridle.
                                Yeah maybe went a tad high saying 140 on looking through the mares maiden with it side by side

                                What I would say though is 19lb difference in that ground that looked really sapping could have potentially exaggerated it

                                A good performance nonetheless, and Paul obviously liked what he felt.

                                Where he fits in, who knows. Maybe that Listed race at Punchestown end of next month and go from there.

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