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September ‘24 Yankee

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  • #31
    Think you are all barking up the wrong tree as Corbett Cross wins the Ryanair

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Lobos View Post
      Think you are all barking up the wrong tree as Corbett Cross wins the Ryanair
      I think you're right if Emmet and JP decide to target that race with him. He's still an under rated horse imo.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post

        I think you're right if Emmet and JP decide to target that race with him. He's still an under rated horse imo.
        Yep. He has two ahead of him fir the GC IMO and he'll probably be too high for the GN. JP has Inothewayurthinkin for that anyway . It'll be very interesting how all those are campaigned.

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        • #34
          Another horse I feel is worth a mention for the Ryanair is L'Homme Presse. I understand the new horses coming into the division hold all the excitement but I think this lad would have a brilliant chance if targeted here. The horse has proven record of enjoying it round cheltenham and demonstrated a front running performance when winning the brown advisory (something a few of the FJ mentioned they are looking for ). Watching last years gold cup back he was running an unbelievable race until looking like the tank emptied 2 out over the gold cup trip. I believe Venetia may have commented on him not staying however this could be wrong. After missing most of the season due to the injury he sustained in the king George the previous year, it is comprehendible that a full season could bring out further improvement. I feel the 20/1 out there is more than fair for horse who is proven around the track and would be taking the route of last years winner (who he did beat last season, admitted it was a extremely weak renewal).

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          • #35
            Think the ryanair has plenty of potential contenders myself, including the second season chasers rated in the 150's, that had promising but short enough novice campaigns and excuses/reasons as to why they didn't make graded winners (or early season graded winners) last season.

            Iroko, Spillanes Tower, Indiana Dream and Heart Wood for example.
            Iroko and Heart Wood are fancy enough prices with Ladbrokes at 33's and 66's, but probably not worth backing just yet as they need to improve and show themselves better horses early season. Maybe in a valuable handicap.

            Three of those are JP and could all end up over further also, so it will be interesting if any of those or others can put there faces into the big picture.
            They all look capable of reaching the late 160's or above rating to get competitive, odds are that only one will reach the level required though.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by HoldenTheReins View Post

              Could see GW bowl out in front like Allaho and put them to bed early
              He absolutely could, but you're placing an awful lot of trust in his jumping given he faces four more fences in the Ryanair and he's a horse who's had a jumping rick in him his entire career...

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              • #37
                Three Card Brag (NH Chase) - Looks an obvious E/W play to me. We know Gordon does well in this race, and using second season chasers. Three Card Brags chase form for me, was at a high level last season. Behind the eventual NH Chase winner, Corbetts Cross, on debut, the BANC 2nd, Monty's Star, on his second start, and then finishing off 3rd in a Grade 1 over 3m behind Spillane's Tower. He's already got a rating of 146 over fences for 3 runs and likely to improve further.

                I actually called him a 'dog' last season because he's consistent without getting his head in front, probably more than he should, but on reflection that was probably a bit harsh based on how the form of the races he contested has stacked up.

                12/1 isn't going to get us to retirement early, but it's a start in a leg for a yankee, and feel he'll be going off plenty shorter once the season gets underway and he wins on seasonal debut.
                Last edited by ComplyOrDie; 5 September 2024, 11:16 AM.

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                • #38
                  As a keen going type, I don't see why Gaelic Warrior would be aimed at anywhere but the Champion Chase. His jumping was straight enough in the Arkle to quell any doubts about a left handed track and he arguably settles better at 2m than he would at 2 1/2m. If anyone was to step up then to me El Fabiolo would be a more obvious candidate in an attempt to put less emphasis on his fencing. However, with so many potential Championship horses in the Mullins yard this year then any early plans could easily change as the season goes on.

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                  • #39
                    Willie has had a couple of runners in the Champion Chase on plenty of occasions so every chance both El Fabiola and Gaelic Warrior run in the race. Willie has other horses who would be ultra competitive in the Ryanair and Energumene may be the one that steps up in trip as he's getting on a bit now and won both his Champion Chases in deep ground where stamina was the order of the day.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                      Three Card Brag (NH Chase) - Looks an obvious E/W play to me. We know Gordon does well in this race, and using second season chasers. Three Card Brags chase form for me, was at a high level last season. Behind the eventual NH Chase winner, Corbetts Cross, on debut, the BANC 2nd, Monty's Star, on his second start, and then finishing off 3rd in a Grade 1 over 3m behind Spillane's Tower. He's already got a rating of 146 over fences for 3 runs and likely to improve further.

                      I actually called him a 'dog' last season because he's consistent without getting his head in front, probably more than he should, but on reflection that was probably a bit harsh based on how the form of the races he contested has stacked up.

                      12/1 isn't going to get us to retirement early, but it's a start in a leg for a yankee, and feel he'll be going off plenty shorter once the season gets underway and he wins on seasonal debut.
                      Would have to be a weak renewal for him to win imo. He’s also very ground dependent if heavy isn’t in the description I would put a line through him. Was there a reason he didn’t run at Cheltenham last season? I honestly can’t remember if he’d had a setback or not?

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Kautostar View Post

                        Would have to be a weak renewal for him to win imo. He’s also very ground dependent if heavy isn’t in the description I would put a line through him. Was there a reason he didn’t run at Cheltenham last season? I honestly can’t remember if he’d had a setback or not?
                        I thought this initially but on bare ratings he's got every chance with a little improvement, given that low 150's (at the time of the race) seems to be enough to be there or thereabouts.

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                        • #42
                          Adrian heskin. He’s gone now. NH chase a distinct opportunity

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                          • #43
                            From my experience, very few connections target the NH Chase in September. Most like to think that they have a potential G! horse while a few prefer to massage their handicap mark. A race best left alone until the stable tours imo.

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                            • #44
                              Why didn’t he run in the race last season? I don’t recall an injury and he then ran at punchestown. If connections didn’t fancy it last season why would they target the nh chase this time around? He could also be targeted at one of the nationals. Bring in ground concerns too I’d want bigger than 12/1 with so many question marks about him.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Kautostar View Post
                                Why didn’t he run in the race last season? I don’t recall an injury and he then ran at punchestown. If connections didn’t fancy it last season why would they target the nh chase this time around? He could also be targeted at one of the nationals. Bring in ground concerns too I’d want bigger than 12/1 with so many question marks about him.
                                If he ran in the race last year he would of done so on the back of just 2 chase runs which is very unlike Elliott who likes to have plenty of experience for his runners in the race. The Punchestown Grade 1 run at the end of the season stinks of wanting to keep his novice status for this year and the logical reason would be to target a novice race such as the NH Chase as he has done several times in the past with 2nd season novices. I'm not a big fan of the horse and as has been said, he is/was considered a "winter horse" so could be ground dependant. His price to me is fair without screaming out to be backed at this stage with, like so many races, you fear what Willie Mullins may end up running in the race.

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