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2025, The Odds on Offer

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  • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

    The Unibet suited her really well this year so I could see them using that again as a prep
    Nice call Lobos

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    • Originally posted by Bollinger View Post

      Nice call Lobos
      It's a strong possibility I'd say. Certainly don't see Willie wanting to face State Man and Lossie before the Festival.

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      • Should serial G1 winners whose main target being a championship race be using soft G2s as preps to avoid facing another horse ?

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        • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

          It's a strong possibility I'd say. Certainly don't see Willie wanting to face State Man and Lossie before the Festival.
          She could face Constitution Hill in the Unibet as Hendo seemed to think the timing was a lot better for that than trying to do Fighting Fifth and Xmas 3/4 weeks apart.

          Suppose it all depends what date the FF is this year, when he did both there was 4 and a half weeks between them in 2022. Only 3 and a half this year (2 and a half because of abandonment). Looks like 3 and a half this year again looking at the dates.

          So I’d say she’s less likely to come for that imo.
          Last edited by Craigy14; 25 July 2024, 02:44 PM.

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          • Originally posted by Craigy14 View Post

            Suppose it all depends what date the FF is this year,.
            30th Nov…..

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            • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post

              30th Nov…..
              Aye so it’ll be 3 and a half weeks to the Xmas hurdle.

              I’d say with 99% (I know it’s not but in my head it is) certainty that Hendo will wait for the Unibet end of Jan after the fighting fifth.

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              • Originally posted by Craigy14 View Post

                Aye so it’ll be 3 and a half weeks to the Xmas hurdle.

                I’d say with 99% (I know it’s not but in my head it is) certainty that Hendo will wait for the Unibet end of Jan after the fighting fifth.
                Yeah I agree, I can’t see him being in a rush to get the horse back and certainly won’t consider giving him a pair of G1 races so soon after his scare and so close together….

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                • Constitution can get a soft prep pretty much whenever and wherever he likes in the UK. It doesn't really matter where he goes. The rest are so far behind he doesn't have to come off the bridle to win ten lengths eased down. In fact he did that to the current Champion Hurdler didn't he?! Probably pointless prepping in a G2 for lesser prizemoney, unless it just fits the programme.

                  If he's back to his best, when Lossie has to meet him she'll need to have improved another 20lbs from anything she's done so far and still have her 7lb allowance in hand!!!
                  Luck is a dividend of sweat. The more I sweat, the luckier I get.

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                  • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post

                    Yeah I agree, I can’t see him being in a rush to get the horse back and certainly won’t consider giving him a pair of G1 races so soon after his scare and so close together….
                    Guess that depends on opponents
                    Hes really the only Grade 1 hurdler that’s likely to turn up in the FF and Xmas.
                    If he comes out of the FF in good order I would expect to see him at Xmas.

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                    • Originally posted by Spectre View Post
                      Constitution can get a soft prep pretty much whenever and wherever he likes in the UK. It doesn't really matter where he goes. The rest are so far behind he doesn't have to come off the bridle to win ten lengths eased down. In fact he did that to the current Champion Hurdler didn't he?! Probably pointless prepping in a G2 for lesser prizemoney, unless it just fits the programme.

                      If he's back to his best, when Lossie has to meet him she'll need to have improved another 20lbs from anything she's done so far and still have her 7lb allowance in hand!!!
                      Mullins will give it a go though. Despite Henderson's comments this week, they'll be still some doubt around CH and even more so if he doesn't turn up in a real race until next March. As you say, even a sub par CH should still be comfortably ahead of other existing UK trained candidates.

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                      • Originally posted by Irish Rugby View Post

                        Mullins will give it a go though. Despite Henderson's comments this week, they'll be still some doubt around CH and even more so if he doesn't turn up in a real race until next March. As you say, even a sub par CH should still be comfortably ahead of other existing UK trained candidates.
                        He’s yet to have a real race against any horse.
                        Im hoping he does at some point so we can really see what he can do.
                        It would be a real shame if the time he does have a real race it is because he’s been affected by his issues.
                        Lets hope not.

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                        • Originally posted by Spectre View Post
                          Constitution can get a soft prep pretty much whenever and wherever he likes in the UK. It doesn't really matter where he goes. The rest are so far behind he doesn't have to come off the bridle to win ten lengths eased down. In fact he did that to the current Champion Hurdler didn't he?! Probably pointless prepping in a G2 for lesser prizemoney, unless it just fits the programme.

                          If he's back to his best, when Lossie has to meet him she'll need to have improved another 20lbs from anything she's done so far and still have her 7lb allowance in hand!!!
                          I agree but with the issues he’s had and the fact it’s Henderson, would you not see him being even more cautious with the horse?

                          I can’t see him giving the horse 2 runs in 26 days(ish).

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                          • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post
                            Should serial G1 winners whose main target being a championship race be using soft G2s as preps to avoid facing another horse ?
                            A decent race programme wouldn't allow it. Ban G1 winners from non-G1 conditions races for 12 months and push them towards racing together more often. Can always have the option of a handicap...

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                            • Originally posted by Captain Chris View Post

                              A decent race programme wouldn't allow it. Ban G1 winners from non-G1 conditions races for 12 months and push them towards racing together more often. Can always have the option of a handicap...
                              I like that idea CC, can definitely see the merit...

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                              • ….Connell confirms Marine National target is Champion Chase, price spread is 7-1 (Hills) shortest, 14-1 (PP/BFSB, 365, BV) biggest.
                                Last edited by Eggs; 27 August 2024, 01:57 PM.

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