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2024 Cross Country Chase

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  • #46
    Originally posted by BuckingThe Trend View Post

    To be honest I don't know if 2 seconds is massive or not given the circumstances/scenarios of the two races. I was just amusing myself and thought I'd share it. But I've convinced myself to have a bet on Conflated in Ryanair. And I will sleep better tonight.


    2 seconds per furlong is a huge difference. The King Stands winner in 2023 basically won at a 12 second per furlong pace. Constitution Hill at Xmas won the Christmas Hurdle averaging 14.5 seconds and the race was quite slow. The difference between the cross country chasers and the gold cup chasers is nearly as much as Constitution Hill and the best 5 furlong sprinters.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by BuckingThe Trend View Post

      To be honest I don't know if 2 seconds is massive or not given the circumstances/scenarios of the two races. I was just amusing myself and thought I'd share it. But I've convinced myself to have a bet on Conflated in Ryanair. And I will sleep better tonight.
      The yardstick has always been one second equals four lengths, so two seconds is quite a lot.

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      • #48
        So who wins this? Haven't given it much time yet. Early conflated bet looks dead so where do the eyes go now

        Delta W or M. Indo?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by HesTheOne View Post
          So who wins this? Haven't given it much time yet. Early conflated bet looks dead so where do the eyes go now

          Delta W or M. Indo?
          They would be my most likely …..but wouldn’t rule out Galvin & even Coko might have chance

          It will be one of those 4….and prob best value to back longest priced ones nearer time

          if I had to say I’d go DW, but heart says Indo
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          • #50
            Nice effort by Galvin ….being over-looked for this maybe bit too much
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            • #51
              Never underestimate the Big G

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              • #52
                Originally posted by TigerRolllllll View Post
                Nice effort by Galvin ….being over-looked for this maybe bit too much
                6/1 NRNB with BetVictor the standout price. I've had a nibble

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by TigerRolllllll View Post
                  Nice effort by Galvin ….being over-looked for this maybe bit too much
                  Was 3.5 lengths behind minella indo and will be 3lbs worse off. Galvin has had a lot more x country schooling and had also been round the Cheltenham course. No need to over complicate things, that form won’t be overturned. Minella indo just wins. I actually can’t believe they’re nearly the same price now

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Studfarm254 View Post

                    Was 3.5 lengths behind minella indo and will be 3lbs worse off. Galvin has had a lot more x country schooling and had also been round the Cheltenham course. No need to over complicate things, that form won’t be overturned. Minella indo just wins. I actually can’t believe they’re nearly the same price now
                    Hope ur right, but GE said Galvin would be brought thru slowly this year to peak in spring

                    Hard to know how ready horses are early in year. Tiger never looked much then
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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by TigerRolllllll View Post

                      Hope ur right, but GE said Galvin would be brought thru slowly this year to peak in spring

                      Hard to know how ready horses are early in year. Tiger never looked much then
                      Galvin and delta are both being aimed at 2 races

                      The cross country and the grand national

                      They won't be trying at all with them until the national weights come out

                      Wouldn't be surprised at all if galvin overturned the form with delta work from last season now he's more experienced over the obstacles

                      galvin was going very nicely at Cheltenham in that handicap, almost too well for the jockeys liking as he allowed him to completely lose position mid race. Almost like he didn't want to win...

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

                        Galvin and delta are both being aimed at 2 races

                        The cross country and the grand national

                        They won't be trying at all with them until the national weights come out

                        Wouldn't be surprised at all if galvin overturned the form with delta work from last season now he's more experienced over the obstacles

                        galvin was going very nicely at Cheltenham in that handicap, almost too well for the jockeys liking as he allowed him to completely lose position mid race. Almost like he didn't want to win...
                        Do you think his lack of experience over the obstacles cost him last year ?
                        He held every chance and got outbattled/outstayed. I Don't think the obstacles had anything to do with it.
                        Not much between them though, I acknowledge that.

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                        • #57
                          The ground will play a huge part I’d imagine again. Galvin would most likely appreciate better ground of the 3 if for we got a dry spell in the lead up to the festival due to not been able to water the track

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Quevega View Post

                            Do you think his lack of experience over the obstacles cost him last year ?
                            He held every chance and got outbattled/outstayed.
                            Did Galvin expend more energy than DW to get to the same position in the finishing straight and therefore had less left to give? I’ve not watched it back for a while, I don’t remember that being the case but all I can think of other than DW likes soft ground better than G does.

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                            • #59
                              More experience over the obstacles won't be a negative

                              It is the ground that likely swung it in deltas favour

                              Though it could just be class I suppose

                              Delta had the engine to win a gold cup he just didn't jump close to well enough

                              I don't think galvin did have that class

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                              • #60
                                Earlier in his career Delta was a good ground horse, not sure the ground being better isn't a good thing for him too

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