2024 Handicaps

[Dandrew99]

Completely agree with this - think the last run is a tell-tale though. Either winning a small scale race (Saint Roi/State Man) or being overpriced in a Graded race (Galopin). Willie has so many who just fall short of the 4 runs this year in that regard. The only "qualifiers" that I'm currently aware of are Sa Majeste and Absurde, but both have been found out in the market.

Gold Dancer, Jit Langy and Daddy Long Legs would all have qualified for me if the rule was still 3 runs.

Quai De Bourbon and Lisnagar Fortune also qualified for handicap hurdles for Willie.

[Odin]

Quai De Bourbon and Lisnagar Fortune also qualified for handicap hurdles for Willie.

One of those is very interesting based on past stats, one could show the new way that Willie's horses fall into different races....

[Dandrew99]

One of those is very interesting based on past stats, one could show the new way that Willie's horses fall into different races....

One would agree with you

Shame he's had no UK entry (that I'm aware of) to know his mark.

[Rooster Booster]

One of those is very interesting based on past stats, one could show the new way that Willie's horses fall into different races....

Yes. I think he may be an actual plan . Keep him to two miles then pick the time to step him up in trip.

[Zachx02]

When do handicap marks come out? Pinkerton and Feu De Bresil both interest me for either the plate / GA and both should have one after today

[Faugheen_Machine]

Good Time Jonny cut again today for the Kim Muir and now 6/1 best price. He surely can't get any shorter!

[AaronLad]

Funambule sivola dropped another lb, 144 now, 12lbs lower than the beginning of the season, he just hoses up in the annual now, doesn't he.

Making Headway left on 129, very nice looking mark for a horse who should improve for the step up in trip. With that mark does the pipe become more likely than the Coral Cup?

[Exar Essay]

Funambule sivola dropped another lb, 144 now, 12lbs lower than the beginning of the season, he just hoses up in the annual now, doesn't he.

Making Headway left on 129, very nice looking mark for a horse who should improve for the step up in trip. With that mark does the pipe become more likely than the Coral Cup?

He'd do well to get in with 129 wouldn't he?

[ComplyOrDie]

He'd do well to get in with 129 wouldn't he?

Yeah, 2 of the last he'd have got in. Always tight near the bottom.

I was looking at this earlier for another potential horse in the race.

[Cashew King]

He'd do well to get in with 129 wouldn't he?

I saw a podcast with Josh Guierro where the plan for Making Headway was a 100k race at Uttoxeter on Midlands National day or the 80k EBF final at Sandown - plans can change but at the time those were the options.

[Speedy17]

Funambule sivola dropped another lb, 144 now, 12lbs lower than the beginning of the season, he just hoses up in the annual now, doesn't he.

Making Headway left on 129, very nice looking mark for a horse who should improve for the step up in trip. With that mark does the pipe become more likely than the Coral Cup?

I was all for this Funambule talk about 3 runs ago, I'm not so sure anymore, he might just be gone at the game. People said the same about Rouge Vif when he started going down the handicap and look what he's rated now. Sometimes it is a plot, but sometimes they just fall off a cliff.

[Eggs]

….Sa Majeste 16-1 (ante-post) County Hurdle in Lads specials.

[FinalFurlong91]

I was all for this Funambule talk about 3 runs ago, I'm not so sure anymore, he might just be gone at the game. People said the same about Rouge Vif when he started going down the handicap and look what he's rated now. Sometimes it is a plot, but sometimes they just fall off a cliff.

The market on the day will be revealing

If he even runs that is

[Eggs]

….hard to see this fella going off at 40-1 (33-1 NRNB) this year;

Faivoir
County Hurdle, 50-1

The County is a race we've done well in and this horse won it last year from Pied Piper in a real thriller. I thought he ran nicely when fifth in the Betfair Hurdle at the weekend and he's only 2lb higher than last year. His form since then has been mixed, including a pulled-up effort at Ascot and a good second at the same track, but he comes alive when he wants to and the effort at Newbury, where he kept on well after being outpaced two out, was a run that told us we were hitting form at a good time.

[Quevega]

I was hoping for a quiet entry and bigger prices off the back of it but Henry let the cat out yesterday.

Whacker Clan 16-1 Kim Muir looks reasonable value though. Was 20-1 B365 first thing but no more.

Should he get in the race off a mark of around 131 then he'd have a really good shout as it's only 6lb higher than when winning at Cheltenham on the same course back in October and he's been kept back for this race specifically. 131 is his Irish mark but was also the BHA race rating so I expect it will be on or around this mark when weights announced.

131 would be around bottom weight although the race didn't really fill last year and raggy 119 rated horses got to run. Antepost bets would be risky though.

Front runner and good jumper, and I especially liked when Twig got upsides him after the last how he dug in and won going away, I don't think 6lb will stop him running a decent race in the Kim Muir, although he will be up against better horses this time. Henry may get an amateur on with a claim like last year which would reduce the weight.

I think he might string them out a bit, and put the weaker jumpers under pressure.

In the same race back in October Amirite travelled really well but was hanging badly coming up the Hill, if Henry has sorted any issues then he is also well handicapped for the Ultima, and 25-1 isn't bad at all. Probably a Rachel or O'keefe ride in that.

The Irish look strong in this years Ultima IMO.