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2024 Ryanair Chase

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  • Is anyone of the opinion Stage Star spits his dummy out if he doesn't get a lead? If so he's easily upset and beat in March.

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    • Can't imagine many horses win grade 1s at Cheltenham having being pulled up on their previous start

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      • Originally posted by HoldenTheReins View Post
        Is anyone of the opinion Stage Star spits his dummy out if he doesn't get a lead? If so he's easily upset and beat in March.
        I don't think he spits it out, but I don't think he's the same horse either. Like Flooring Porter, he seems to be one who relies on getting that breather in.

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        • ORs as they stand;
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          173 (-4) Allaho
          173 (0) Shishkin
          166 (0) Stage Star
          164 (0) Envoi Allen
          164 (0) Edwardstone

          Allaho might not be the horse that he was 2 years ago but he was just as inconvenienced as BMG by Shishkin's mishap. If Shishkin doesn't turn up, in my view he's a long way the most likely winner.

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          • Originally posted by archie View Post
            ORs as they stand;
            :
            173 (-4) Allaho
            173 (0) Shishkin
            166 (0) Stage Star
            164 (0) Envoi Allen
            164 (0) Edwardstone

            Allaho might not be the horse that he was 2 years ago but he was just as inconvenienced as BMG by Shishkin's mishap. If Shishkin doesn't turn up, in my view he's a long way the most likely winner.
            Shishkin hasn't even been given an entry in the race today, so they would now need to supplement him.

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            • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

              Shishkin hasn't even been given an entry in the race today, so they would now need to supplement him.
              6/4 nrnb is, therefore, decent value.

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              • ….32 entries;

                Ahoy Senor (IRE) 9 11 10 Wymer & Russell Lucinda Russell
                Allaho (FR) 10 11 10 Cheveley Park Stud W. P. Mullins Ireland
                Appreciate It (IRE) 10 11 10 Miss M. A. Masterson W. P. Mullins Ireland
                Ash Tree Meadow (FR) 8 11 10 Alymer Stud Ltd Gordon Elliott Ireland
                Banbridge (IRE) 8 11 10 Mr R. A. Bartlett Joseph Patrick O'Brien Ireland
                Capodanno (FR) 8 11 10 Mr John P. McManus W. P. Mullins Ireland
                Classic Getaway (IRE) 8 11 10 Cheveley Park Stud W. P. Mullins Ireland
                Conflated (IRE) 10 11 10 Gigginstown House Stud Gordon Elliott Ireland
                Dysart Dynamo (IRE) 8 11 10 Ms Eleanor Manning W. P. Mullins Ireland
                Editeur du Gite (FR) 10 11 10 The Preston Family, Friends & T Jacobs Gary Moore
                Edwardstone 10 11 10 Robert Abrey & Ian Thurtle Alan King
                El Fabiolo (FR) 7 11 10 Mr Simon Munir/Mr Isaac Souede W. P. Mullins Ireland
                Envoi Allen (FR) 10 11 10 Cheveley Park Stud Henry de Bromhead Ireland
                Fastorslow (FR) 8 11 10 Sean & Bernardine Mulryan Martin Brassil Ireland
                Fil Dor (FR) 6 11 10 Caldwell Construction Ltd Gordon Elliott Ireland
                French Dynamite (FR) 9 11 10 Robcour M. F. Morris Ireland
                Fugitif (FR) 9 11 10 Mr Carl Hinchy & Dr Emad Hussain Richard Hobson
                Greaneteen (FR) 10 11 10 Chris Giles Paul Nicholls
                Hitman (FR) 8 11 10 Mason, Hogarth, Ferguson & Done Paul Nicholls
                Idas Boy (IRE) 10 11 10 Gigginstown House Stud Noel Meade Ireland
                Janidil (FR) 10 11 10 Mr John P. McManus W. P. Mullins Ireland
                Jonbon (FR) 8 11 10 Mr John P. McManus Nicky Henderson
                Jungle Boogie (IRE) 10 11 10 Mr Malcolm C. Denmark Henry de Bromhead Ireland
                Millers Bank 10 11 10 Millers Bank Partnership Alex Hales
                Minella Drama (IRE) 9 11 10 Green Day Racing Donald McCain
                Notlongtillmay 8 11 10 Mr Alan Rogers L J Morgan
                Pic D'orhy (FR) 9 11 10 Mrs Johnny de la Hey Paul Nicholls
                Protektorat (FR) 9 11 10 Sir A Ferguson G Mason J Hales & L Hales Dan Skelton
                Seddon (IRE) 11 11 10 Galaxy Horse Racing Syndicate John McConnell Ireland
                Shan Blue (IRE) 10 11 10 Mr Colm Donlon Dan Skelton
                Sir Gerhard (IRE) 9 11 10 Cheveley Park Stud W. P. Mullins Ireland
                Stage Star (IRE) 8 11 10 Owners Group 044 Paul Nicholls​

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                • Hills 25-1 NRNB for Jungle Boogie isn't too bad. I'm thinking it over as it would work out a good price if one of the top 3 don't turn up. Depending on any subsequent runs of course.

                  I'd imagine they might let the lad ride. And they might also think the Gold cup would be too much to ask.
                  With Rachel on Envoi should he run as expected.

                  Of all the 10 year olds likely to run in this, he's the least exposed. Only put up to 152 Irish rating for his new years day win. So a bit to find on the top 3, but I'd personally prefer him to Edwardstone as an each way player. Appreciate it the other one, but I'm expecting him to be tried at 2 miles again in Dublin from the front, so his price is subject to change, and he could be Mullins number 2 in the Champion Chase in the end.

                  Classic Getaway possibly, but he's 16-1 NRNB and I cannot see why they would run 3 in the same race, I expected a Gold cup entry for him so done my money, but no where near as much as he cost me yesterday when he dogged the last furlong and fell in a hole. Had 5pts on and a double with Shakemupharry

                  I've only backed Stage Star so far, at 16's and again at 7's NRNB, and had small stakes on jungle boogie win only on exchange at triple figures.

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                  • Well the bad value stage star 7/1 didn’t last long

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                    • Nrnb of course

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                      • Originally posted by Quevega View Post
                        Hills 25-1 NRNB for Jungle Boogie isn't too bad. I'm thinking it over as it would work out a good price if one of the top 3 don't turn up. Depending on any subsequent runs of course.
                        Completely agree with this; on the New Course this is the right race for him distance-wise. Never put into the race over an inadequate two miles behind El Fabilio, after almost two years off. Only raced on soft ground but, based on breeding, would be likely to appreciate slightly better ground as well. He jumps well and, as you say, is completely unexposed with no miles on the clock.

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                        • If Jungle Boogie goes, you've potentially got Stage Star, Jungle Boogie and one of Mullins (Allaho or Appreciate It) vying for the lead. Not sure Allaho has the gears now to do it from the front but they'll want one of their horses to ensure it's a proper test.

                          Envoi Allen and Edwardstone will stalk round. I'm not sure Edwardstone will be a strong enough stayer in this grade.

                          Could Fil DOr be stepped up? Always looked like further would suit.

                          Pic D'Orhy would interest me but doubt he would turn up here as they think Cobden is the key to him and he'll be on Stage Star. I think he'd have a fair chance in this.

                          I'm not convinced by the front 2 in the market, Envoi Allen is a danger if they take each other on up front but I think there could be a decent priced winner in this.

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                          • Originally posted by archie View Post
                            ORs as they stand;
                            :
                            173 (-4) Allaho
                            173 (0) Shishkin
                            166 (0) Stage Star
                            164 (0) Envoi Allen
                            164 (0) Edwardstone

                            Allaho might not be the horse that he was 2 years ago but he was just as inconvenienced as BMG by Shishkin's mishap. If Shishkin doesn't turn up, in my view he's a long way the most likely winner.
                            Couldn't disagree more. Envoi won the race easily last year and has run right up to that mark this season. Stage Star is the new kid on the block whereas in his two races this season Allaho has definitely regressed from the horse he was 18 months ago. He'll certainly be in the mix but a long way the most likely winner he is not.

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                            • …lots of doubts about participation but he has an entry; 25-1 Banbridge with PP.

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                              • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                                Couldn't disagree more. Envoi won the race easily last year and has run right up to that mark this season. Stage Star is the new kid on the block whereas in his two races this season Allaho has definitely regressed from the horse he was 18 months ago. He'll certainly be in the mix but a long way the most likely winner he is not.
                                People are being harsh on Allaho IMO. He was off for 561 days and ran to a debut RPR of 170 on heavy ground before losing the KG a length running to an RPR of 172. He pretty much lives in the 170+ bracket these days and we know, despite his win in the Punchestown Gold Cup, that he doesn't necessarily really want 3m, but, is a proper 2 1/2 mile specialist. We've seen 3 winners of the Ryanair in the last 19 years who are 10 years old so we know it's been done before and Allaho would be better than those 3. I suspect he'll go straight there and IMO he deserves to be a short priced fav. He may have regressed slightly but I look at the rest of the market and think he'd wallop most of them.

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