2024 Ryanair Chase

[Carnage at Taunton]

Clearly, you're fully entitled to your thinking. However, in relation to the Ryanair, using this season's 3m form and ignoring the 2m4f races seems contrary. I haven't yet backed Allaho yet (no need) and may only do so in combination bets so I'm more than happy to wish you the best of luck.

I’m just looking at this seasons races and how the horses are looking to me.
Allaho’s first run was a gallops training exercise pretty much, just told me he was ok after his absence.

Appreciate your wishes, and same for you too.

Sorry, forgot about EA’s first race this season.
Thought his jumping was a bit iffy at times, which cost him,but considering the weights was ok, nothing more than that.

[charlie]

I’m just looking at this seasons races and how the horses are looking to me.
Allaho’s first run was a gallops training exercise pretty much, just told me he was ok after his absence.

Appreciate your wishes, and same for you too.

Sorry, forgot about EA’s first race this season.
Thought his jumping was a bit iffy at times, which cost him,but considering the weights was ok, nothing more than that.

Do you think you've under appreciated how good Allaho's last two runs in the Ryanair were?

[Rooster Booster]

Do you think you've under appreciated how good Allaho's last two runs in the Ryanair were?

And the award for the most thinly veiled statement masquerading as a question goes to …

[Carnage at Taunton]

Do you think you've under appreciated how good Allaho's last two runs in the Ryanair were?

No, I’ve already said how impressive he was
Ive also said if he’s the same horse I think he wins again

[Lobos]

Do you think you've under appreciated how good Allaho's last two runs in the Ryanair were?

On a strict line through Janidil in Allahos 2nd Ryanair and Envois win last year, Envoi comes out on top. We also should remember Envoi beat 174 rated Shishkin last year whereas Allaho was going to be beaten by that one in the KG before his mishap. It's going to be a close call between the two.

[charlie]

And the award for the most thinly veiled statement masquerading as a question goes to …

hahaha read me like a book

[Lobos]

The level of Allaho's regression could arguably be judged by Janidil. He beat him 14 lengths off level weight to win his second Ryanair and then beat him by 9 lengths on return but receiving 5lbs. Still a decent run but regression nonetheless. Might still be good enough to win the Ryanair but I feel he'll come up short this time. At the prices he is no value at all based on the above. His price is based on past glory.

[Rooster Booster]

hahaha read me like a book

We’ve all done it

[FinalFurlong91]

Some extremely creative reading of the form of those Ryanairs and King george there Lobos

Allaho beat Janidil 2 lengths in the durkan on reappearance before beating him by 14 in the Ryanair in the spring

Shiskin ran like a drain in the Ryanair vs envoi allen. Ran to more like 164 than his 174 rating.

Janidil made several bad mistakes when losing to envoi allen. Simply didn't run his race.


What i would say is I think the RPRs for the king george are way too high

hewick 173
Bmg 172
Allaho 172


I'd be taking 7 or 8lbs off those ratings myself

Shiskin was imo in the process of winning the race by 5+ lengths (given how well he has finished every race in his career regardless of trip)

So would the racing post have really rated him 178/179

If allaho improves his normal amount from winter to spring I think he will win and probably win easily

If he doesn't find that usual improvement at age 10 then I don't think he will have much chance as he won't be able to take the others completely out of their comfort zone like he did when winning the race twice.

That would then bring the likes of envoi, stage star and edwardstone well into it.

An intriguing race.

Since Allaho is my favourite horse I won't even pretend I'm not enormously biased.

I'd love to see him win a third. Am I confident? No definitely not because of his age and the injury. The king george run was highly promising though and likely the best run of his career pre January.

[Lobos]

Envoi Allen may have ran the best race of his life last time when only just failing to beat the younger current Gold Cup hope Gerri Colombe with some top horses in behind and his official rating was raised as a result. He certainly hasn't regressed on that running. He's the one to beat.

[Quevega]

I was surprised Allaho didn't lead the King George from flag fall, I know he jumped the first in front but then settled and let Frodon and then Shishkin take the lead.
A confident Allaho camp would have bounced and gone.
It's almost like they think he might not be able to go the same gallop these days.
It's important to remember he missed last year and was 8 the last time he won the Ryanair in such style.

I don't rate the King George form at all.
Could be wrong though, and Allaho still deserves to be Favourite given the likely runners.
More than happy to leave him out this year though, don't even think I'll have any saver doubles on him, unless his price looks attractive.

[FinalFurlong91]

The 2 scenarios I can picture in my head

1) allaho is back to somewhere near his peak

He gallops them into the ground again

2) allaho isn't back to near his peak

Allaho is unable to burn off stage star as he doesnt have the cruising speed he had anymore and they take each other on at the front and Envoi Allen is travelling in behind and picks them both off up the hill

[Lobos]

Willie did say Allaho found it difficult going the pace of the KG and couldn't dominate like he has done in previous races. Another clue that he may have lost some of his brilliant mojo . Agree with Q he's no betting proposition at all.

[charlie]

The 2 scenarios I can picture in my head

1) allaho is back to somewhere near his peak

He gallops them into the ground again

2) allaho isn't back to near his peak

Allaho is unable to burn off stage star as he doesnt have the cruising speed he had anymore and they take each other on at the front and Envoi Allen is travelling in behind and picks them both off up the hill

I think thats a fair assessment. Forecast it is

[DenmanSacre]

What i would say is I think the RPRs for the king george are way too high

hewick 173
Bmg 172
Allaho 172


I'd be taking 7 or 8lbs off those ratings myself

Take even more off. They've got Bravemansgame running 3 pounds below his GC 2nd and 5 pounds below his last KG win. He hasn't ran within a stone minimum of last year.

Hewick's struggled off a pace that was slower than the novice chase and has ran to a career best apparently.

The Real Whacker ran to the same rating as his BANC win FFS.

All the evidence you need that most of the time, RPRs are a load of shite.

Il Est Francis would have won the KG easy. Do people think he's a 180 animal?