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2024 Triumph Hurdle (Juveniles)

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  • I've been looking a bit more closely at Bottler'secret after his debut run last Sunday, and I thought that he was pretty impressive in the way that he opened up after the last, as it looked as though they'd gone a decent pace. He was given an RPR of 135 for that, which as far as I can see is a higher figure than any other of this year's Triumph entries for their debut hurdles run, and not only that, it'a a higher figure than was achieved by all but one of the last 10 Triumph winners on debut (only Ivanovich Gorbatov with 138 had a higher figure).

    I'm aware that people will place varying degrees of faith in RPR figures, but to me that indicates that it was a more than promising debut, and there's got to be a chance that he goes on to improve considerably from that on his second run. By way of comparison, even if we exclude Sir Gino's much touted French debut run (RPR 112) to defeat Salvator Mundi, he went from an RPR of 130 at Kempton to 143 at Cheltenham, which gives an indication of the potential for improvement in these juveniles.

    Cromwell's comments after the race were "It would have been nice to come here with a bit of experience. I just thought that coming here at this time of the year, we will pitch him in at the deep end and if we still had a maiden for next season, well and good. But here we are! he's in the Triumph – I don't know if he'll go. If he had a bit more experience I would say he would definitely go, but we'll see. There are plenty of opportunities if we don't.". To me, that sounds 50/50 whether he'll run in the Triumph or not, and I hope that he'll look at victories in successive years from Pentland Hills and Burning Victory (admittedly very fortuitously after the Goshen incident) who both won with just one previous hurdle run, and think that it's well worth giving him a go.

    Either way, I think that the 20/1 NRNB looks to be hugely overpriced with no risk, but I've taken a punt with a point at an average of 76/1 on the exchange, which I'm happy to lose if he doesn't run, but would potentially look massive if he does.​

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    • Originally posted by Block 205 View Post
      I've been looking a bit more closely at Bottler'secret after his debut run last Sunday, and I thought that he was pretty impressive in the way that he opened up after the last, as it looked as though they'd gone a decent pace. He was given an RPR of 135 for that, which as far as I can see is a higher figure than any other of this year's Triumph entries for their debut hurdles run, and not only that, it'a a higher figure than was achieved by all but one of the last 10 Triumph winners on debut (only Ivanovich Gorbatov with 138 had a higher figure).

      I'm aware that people will place varying degrees of faith in RPR figures, but to me that indicates that it was a more than promising debut, and there's got to be a chance that he goes on to improve considerably from that on his second run. By way of comparison, even if we exclude Sir Gino's much touted French debut run (RPR 112) to defeat Salvator Mundi, he went from an RPR of 130 at Kempton to 143 at Cheltenham, which gives an indication of the potential for improvement in these juveniles.

      Cromwell's comments after the race were "It would have been nice to come here with a bit of experience. I just thought that coming here at this time of the year, we will pitch him in at the deep end and if we still had a maiden for next season, well and good. But here we are! he's in the Triumph – I don't know if he'll go. If he had a bit more experience I would say he would definitely go, but we'll see. There are plenty of opportunities if we don't.". To me, that sounds 50/50 whether he'll run in the Triumph or not, and I hope that he'll look at victories in successive years from Pentland Hills and Burning Victory (admittedly very fortuitously after the Goshen incident) who both won with just one previous hurdle run, and think that it's well worth giving him a go.

      Either way, I think that the 20/1 NRNB looks to be hugely overpriced with no risk, but I've taken a punt with a point at an average of 76/1 on the exchange, which I'm happy to lose if he doesn't run, but would potentially look massive if he does.​
      He's said he doesnt go mate

      Be able to find the comments somewhere on X i'd imagine

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      • Ah, OK - thanks darlojim, that's a shame, but I'll certainly be keeping a lookout for wherever he turns up next.

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        • Was it just me or did nico de boinville and nicky look terrified on the racing post unibet preview when Tom segal said he'd spoken to Patrick and he'd said Salvador mundi was going to run

          Mundi was put up with fact to file as Willie's two horses to follow in the RP Stable tour (he selected el fabiolo and il etait temps the year before)

          mustve had some niggly issues not to have run though
          Last edited by FinalFurlong91; 4 March 2024, 02:34 PM.

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          • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post
            Was it just me or did nico de boinville and nicky look terrified on the racing post unibet preview when Tom segal said he'd spoken to Patrick and he'd said Salvador mundi was going to run
            I think was shock more than anything - obviously not been told and same ownership
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            • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post
              Was it just me or did nico de boinville and nicky look terrified on the racing post unibet preview when Tom segal said he'd spoken to Patrick and he'd said Salvador mundi was going to run


              Absolutely. Gave nothing the whole show. Barely smiled. Made Paul Townend look like an extrovert. Then when Pricewise said Salvator runs and he's spoken to Patrick, Nico scrunches up his face and bites his finger.

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              • Wheelbarrow on Mundi. Only the 20th wheelbarrow for the Triumph

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                • Huge if PT was to ride Salvator Mundi.

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                  • Wowsers .....I'll dig my slip out the bin

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                    • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                      Wowsers .....I'll dig my slip out the bin
                      Why were they in the bin?

                      A few people have said they don't think he'd run.



                      Bananas

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                      • Surely Salvator won’t run next Friday. Unless he’s working like an absolute freak on the Gallops, Townend surely won’t ride a horse he’s never ridden coming off an 11 month break.

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                        • Originally posted by BookieBasher View Post
                          Surely Salvator won’t run next Friday. Unless he’s working like an absolute freak on the Gallops, Townend surely won’t ride a horse he’s never ridden coming off an 11 month break.
                          Brian Hayes who must ride Salvador mundi at home, was saying in a preview the other day he thinks and has been saying to townend you should ride this lad in the triumph etc

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                          • Gino friendless??

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                            • Originally posted by BookieBasher View Post
                              Surely Salvator won’t run next Friday. Unless he’s working like an absolute freak on the Gallops, Townend surely won’t ride a horse he’s never ridden coming off an 11 month break.
                              Would him riding Salvator mean he’s been working the house down or that he’s not that impressed with the rest of the juveniles?

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                              • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                                Gino friendless??
                                Seems everyone on the previews is saying he’s a stupid price at odds on, I’d tend to agree but they seem to be relying on Mullins record over the last few years to oppose him which I’m not sure I can get on board with.

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