2024 Stayers Hurdle

[DenmanSacre]

And yet you like irish point for this?

I'm sure he's just trolling now. Irish Points 3m win was slower than the Pertemps qualifier and literally a half mile sprint. You could watch the Teahupoo race and Irish Points race one after another and they're both basically the same. Both need to prove they properly stay but the fact Kennedy likes Teahupoo more should mean something.

[Kevloaf]

From ATR .....

Published 22nd February

Twelve months ago, DASHEL DRASHER gave me such a big thrill with his heroic effort in the Paddy Power Stayers’ Hurdle, running second to Sire Du Berlais and holding off Teahupoo in brilliant race.

I thought that he was overpriced last year and, after another really solid winter, I can't really believe why the market looks so similar this time around.

His current odds are a complete insult to him as I feel it could take only a small tweak, possibly cheekpieces of headgear, or even a subtle tactical change to land the prize this year. As things stand, he has a fine each-way chance and I'm going in again.

It was interesting that last season, following his heroics at Cheltenham, trainer Jeremy Scott put cheekpieces on him for the first time at Aintree and I think it would be dangerous to conclude that he didn’t fancy them that day; in fact I thought he looked great for nine tenths of the race before, in my opinion, a long hard season finally took its toll approaching the final flight.

I thought that he was overpriced last year and, after another really solid winter, I can't really believe why the market looks so similar

If I'm honest I would love to see the cheekpieces back on at Cheltenham because he did lug around a bit last year, without being in any way ungenuine. He was the clear leader at the last flight 12 months ago, I'm only stating that fact because he was also clear at Newbury this year in the Long Distance Hurdle before Paisley Park kicked in again and forced a photo.


Dashel seemed to get a little lonely that day too. The tactical change I had in mind was sitting slightly back, say third or fourth and to deliver the challenge after the last? It may just make the difference.

Many will take the view that Teahupoo has looked an improved performer this year but can we be sure of that after Impaire Et Passe, the horse he beat in the Hatton's Grace Hurdle, ran such a listless race at the Dublin Racing Festival? I’m still far from convinced that he thoroughly gets the three miles either.

There are, of course some new names on the scene this year: Crambo had a terrific duel with Paisley Park at Ascot and could yet improve again. The ground that day would have been plenty quick enough for Dashel Drasher who was beaten six lengths and there is no way in the world 'our hero' should be six times the price of the emerging youngster.

I’m not sure about Monkfish’s credentials either. Beating the 141-rated 12-year-old Summerville Boy in the Galmoy Hurdle last time out leaves him plenty to find. Indeed, last year’s winner Sire Du Berlais should be considered as like Dashel Drasher, the market is dismissing him out of hand. He stays so well and always comes good in the spring.

GOOD TIME JONNY would be also fascinating runner if sent back over hurdles here; He has not been pulling up any trees over fences but was a scintillating winner of the Pertemps Final last season, sitting last throughout, jumping the last in eighth places but ripping up the hill in fantastic style. He has loads of entries at the Festival and should be watched very closely.

So come on the Drasher! The forgotten horse once again. Here’s hoping that again, he will put the wind up all of his rivals and whoever gets past him will have put up a huge fight.









Up the Drasher

[somer1]

I followed you in on DD all them months ago at 50s Kev and still sat on it

[Lobos]

Kennedy said: "I'm lucky to be in the position I'm in, but I've a few tough calls to make. The toughest decision will probably be having to pick between Teahupoo and Irish Point in the Stayers' Hurdle. I'll be waiting until much closer to the time to make that decision and there will be a few things to take into consideration. It's very tough and they are both very different horses. They are both very good'

[TigerRolllllll]

Think with weather & CH, we have to assume Irish likely to go Champ Hurdle now ?

Need to look at opps on others & maybe doubles

[Lobos]

Think with weather & CH, we have to assume Irish likely to go Champ Hurdle now ?

Need to look at opps on others & maybe doubles

Makes it more of a possibility but he still won't get anywhere near State Man so it's a CH place v good chance of Stayers win which they have to consider. Most pundits are putting up Irish over Teahupoo as well so that's something else that might sway them along with Teahupoo getting beat in what was arguably a weaker race last year. They could be throwing away a chance of a festival winner.

[Odin]

Makes it more of a possibility but he still won't get anywhere near State Man so it's a CH place v good chance of Stayers win which they have to consider. Most pundits are putting up Irish over Teahupoo as well so that's something else that might sway them along with Teahupoo getting beat in what was arguably a weaker race last year. They could be throwing away a chance of a festival winner.

The Robcour and Elliott stable are both absolutely certain that Teahupoo is better though from multiple previews/stable tours/news articles so splitting the two does make sense if they are that confident in the difference.

[Lobos]

The Robcour and Elliott stable are both absolutely certain that Teahupoo is better though from multiple previews/stable tours/news articles so splitting the two does make sense if they are that confident in the difference.

Jack says he's finding it hard to choose between them and why not have two top darts at winning a festival race ? He isn't winning a Champion Hurdle is he ?

[riccirich]

Jack says he's finding it hard to choose between them and why not have two top darts at winning a festival race ? He isn't winning a Champion Hurdle is he ?

You'd have to fancy state man of course, but he'd have a chance. About 10lbs to find officially, but he looks like a horse on the up and I wouldn't like to put a cap on how much he can improve.

Champion hurdle is the more prestigious race so they may want a good chance in that rather than two in the stayers. I'd imagine both Gordon and especially jack would be pushing for champion hurdle if con hill is out, depends on owners after that.

[Speedy17]

If they send Irish Point to the Champion Hurdle it will be the biggest piece of race planning mismanagement of the season. Send him to a race he has no chance of winning, over a race he has a massive chance of winning... SMH.

[FinalFurlong91]

If they send Irish Point to the Champion Hurdle it will be the biggest piece of race planning mismanagement of the season. Send him to a race he has no chance of winning, over a race he has a massive chance of winning... SMH.

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[Silverbirch]

If they send Irish Point to the Champion Hurdle it will be the biggest piece of race planning mismanagement of the season. Send him to a race he has no chance of winning, over a race he has a massive chance of winning... SMH.

Or you can look at it completely the opposite. The owners will have the chance to win 2 races in stead of just one, and isn't that why they're in the game in the first place?

Price money is also 30k more for 2nd in the champion hurdle. Makes complete sense to me to send Irish point to a poor looking Champion Hurdle (bar state man).

[FinalFurlong91]

State man gets a stone bruise or falls robcour would be kicking themselves for not running when not so sleepy wins the champion hurdle

[Guinness Village]

I’d chuckle my ass off if that happens. I’ve backed sleepy. Just got to

[TigerRolllllll]

If they send Irish Point to the Champion Hurdle it will be the biggest piece of race planning mismanagement of the season. Send him to a race he has no chance of winning, over a race he has a massive chance of winning... SMH.

Game of opinions - but do disagree

They would have second fav in one of the top two races at festival……abd they already have fav in other

To win a stayers, he’d need 165-170 run….that would put him bang there with State Man were he to produce that level

Bet Jack is kicking doors down begging them to go for it