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  • Proper open Arkle this. It feels like a year were running to an RPR of 160+ will probably be enough.

    Gaelic Warrior jumps right and I just don't think he'll get away with it. He should have won the Boodles but kept jumping right and IMO the same will happen here. Hard to know how well he is after the fall after FTF handed him his soul. He's ended up here because connections deem the race to be weaker and probably over rate the chances of FV in the Turners. I genuinely wouldn't be surprised if Paul didn't pick him, but he probably will. He's just not for me but at the same time I wouldn't be at all surprised if he were to win.

    On the Betfair preview they said Il Etait Temps was notorious for travelling badly. That, plus his previous runs at Cheltenham would put me off. I do like him and he does have a good attitude but he's a small rat of a thing and I just think he's too short based on what he's actually achieved. On RPR's he's done well with 152, 143, 156, but I don't think Cheltenham and the travelling will suit so he's one I want to take on at the current prices. I remember a few flagged him at big prices a few months ago - well done those people.

    Found A Fifty is bloody consistent but he jumps right and is a proper quirky bastard. For that reason I can't have him and I actually think they should be going for the Turners but are going Arkle because the race looks weaker. You wouldn't associate Gordon with Arkle horses and I think this fella is best avoided at a really short price now.

    Hunters Yarn is the one that I keep coming back to. The chase debut fall was unfortunate (where he basically crumpled on landing) but that performance LTO was eye catching because it was so easy. The mistake two out should have ended his chance but the composure and confidence PT displayed was really informative. The County run would worry me a bit, but he went off 11/2 and they clearly really like the horse and think he's very good. Paul rode him that way after the mistake LTO. He didn't get after him at all and knew he would pick up again and go away.

    If the winner of the Arkle needs to run to an RPR of 160+ to win this then ideally I want a horse who has either ran to that level (there isn't one) or, I want a horse who has run to a mid 150's RPR and done their winning easily. Having posted 141 on debut and then 154 easily, HY is the horse in the race that could easily surpass 160+. Some of the others I've mentioned could easily do this to, but, they've had more opportunity to do so and haven't, and, have been in finishes where they have typically be asked for an effort.

    I am certain we have not seen the best of HY and for me 6/1 is a good price to play vs the top 3.





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    • Still hoping the winner is hiding in plain site.


      Unbeaten over fences at the short and mid trips, won last time out, a grade 1 winner, straight forward ride, good jumper, previous festival winner.

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      • I'll be waiting until decs before deciding on the Arkle and seeing the make up of the race.

        I don't rated the Found A Fifty form at all so I'd discount him and Il Etait Temps. FAF jumps more to the right than Gaelic as well.

        We could have Matata, Gaelic Warrior, FAF all at the front on soft ground and so it could suit one of the closers.

        Same for the Turners. Wait and see what turns up and how the race should pan out from a pace point of view.

        If Ginnys Destiny is going to get a free ride at the front, he's going to be hard to beat and will make it hard for a closer. There's been so much said in the previews that Crebilly would have beat him before falling, Grey Dawning would have beat him but for the error but GD seems a strong stayer at the trip and does seem to idle in front. Not sure I'll be backing GD on the day but he's got less faults than the others.

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        • Scudamore added: "Giovinco could be likely to run in one of the novice chases at this stage, but plans can change. We don't know if it'll be the Brown Advisory or Turners yet. It's not looking likely Apple Away will get in the Ultima, but we'll declare her anyway in case.
          "She's got options in the National Hunt Chase and will be confirmed for the Kim Muir too, but the National Hunt Chase trip interests me. It's clear she's a stayer but it's just if she's ready for that yet."

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          • Gaelic Warrior.......



            "We’ll leave it up to Willie and it sounds, chatting to him, that he’s been happier with him over the last ten days or two weeks than he has been in a long time," said Chambers.

            "His work is good and apparently he schooled this week and it might be that he’s leaning towards the Arkle, although it might be a Sunday morning decision. It’s a lean rather than a confirmation."

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            • Think JP taking Fact to File out of the turners shows how much say in the decisions his lot have.
              Willie would have left him in no doubt.

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              • Originally posted by Quevega View Post
                Think JP taking Fact to File out of the turners shows how much say in the decisions his lot have.
                Willie would have left him in no doubt.
                Totally agree. It would have been his first choice as well IMO.

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                • Probably money back, but for anyone who likes the horses or has books/few runners.

                  Letsbeclearbaoutit 40-1 Turners & Giovinco 25-1 turners are stand out and wouldn;t think they'd be that price if they lined up.

                  Cromwell must be considering this race rather than the handicap off too high a mark.
                  Outside chance there's less than 8 runners also.

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                  • Listening to the Rich Ricci interview on ATR it pretty much sounds a done deal Gaelic going Arkle.

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                    • Originally posted by Quevega View Post
                      Probably money back, but for anyone who likes the horses or has books/few runners.

                      Letsbeclearbaoutit 40-1 Turners & Giovinco 25-1 turners are stand out and wouldn;t think they'd be that price if they lined up.

                      Cromwell must be considering this race rather than the handicap off too high a mark.
                      Outside chance there's less than 8 runners also.
                      I’ve been toying with adding Giovinco for that 25/1 is a decent price imo. He’s been pretty good over fences if you discount the Kempton run, which I’m pretty sure Lucinda would admit now was a mistake. I normally go into each race with 2 max 3 so with Grey Dawning and Facile Vega onside, I might add him also.

                      I’d be gutted if he turned up and won well not gutted but you know what I mean. I do think they may be missing a trick with his mark in the Ultima though.

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                      • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                        Listening to the Rich Ricci interview on ATR it pretty much sounds a done deal Gaelic going Arkle.
                        It could well be mate but you’d be foolish to listen to him, he has no say in where they go.

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                        • Originally posted by Craigy14 View Post

                          It could well be mate but you’d be foolish to listen to him, he has no say in where they go.
                          Yep, he’s led us astray before

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                          • There's a fair few in that Turners race at big prices that look decent EW value. I'd add zanahiyr into the mix too at 25/1. Hasn't been anything special over fences so far but last time was an improvement on his debut and he has the hurdles form to match anything in the race. If he's Gordons runner with jack on board I can't see him going off that price.

                            Grey dawning won't go here if it's good to soft if Skelton is to be believed. No idea how good iroko is - if Hermes Allen had come straight to the Turners after an impressive chasing debut then he'd have been very slim odds for example, but in subsequent runs he was outclassed, the same may be through of iroko but it's obviously very hard to tell. Facile vega another one with big question marks, might bounce back, might bomb.

                            I'd personally be getting all of those interesting types at bigger odds on side each way, as I think they'll shorten considerably at the very least if they run, and wouldn't be surprised if one won in a weak looking renewal.

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                            • Originally posted by Craigy14 View Post

                              It could well be mate but you’d be foolish to listen to him, he has no say in where they go.
                              Willie has mentioned going 2m more than once as well and remember he was a good fav for the Supreme for a bit once upon a time.

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                              • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                                Willie has mentioned going 2m more than once as well and remember he was a good fav for the Supreme for a bit once upon a time.
                                Hes in one of two races, think the point is just be wary of what his owner says
                                Find out Sunday

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