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2024 Novice Chasers

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  • Fact To File beating a staying on Grangeclare West is what we all expect isn't it?

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    • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
      Fact To File beating a staying on Grangeclare West is what we all expect isn't it?
      It's what I expect. Hopefully its authoritative so GW goes NHC

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      • Originally posted by charlie View Post

        It's what I expect. Hopefully its authoritative so GW goes NHC
        Turners for FTF and BANC for GW nailed on then

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        • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
          Fact To File beating a staying on Grangeclare West is what we all expect isn't it?
          Who else from Mullins camp do we expect to run in it ? Facile Vega, Nick Rockett, Sharjah, Ill Etait Temps, Blood Destiny, Mister Policeman........or is it just the two you mention?

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          • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

            That entry doesn't scream NHC for Corbetts
            Sorry, error

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            • Just an FYI guys that sky have Fact To File at 7/2 any race (same price with most firm for BANC NRNB). It is also NRNB.

              I know it’s short but good price for a roll up when the actual races aren’t too much bigger. Turners is a couple points bigger but BANC has always been fav with bookies etc.

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              • Originally posted by Craigy14 View Post
                Just an FYI guys that sky have Fact To File at 7/2 any race (same price with most firm for BANC NRNB). It is also NRNB.

                I know it’s short but good price for a roll up when the actual races aren’t too much bigger. Turners is a couple points bigger but BANC has always been fav with bookies etc.
                Great spot Craigy. That's the way to go.

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                • Originally posted by DenmanSacre View Post

                  He's only ever sent Galopin as his best staying novice to the Turners and that's because they thought he was too racy and the Turners would suit.

                  These were his shortest price runners each year:

                  2023: Appreciate It (running over 2m previously)
                  2022: Galopin
                  2021: Asterion Forlonge (running over 2 and a half but 14/1 and not fancied). Monkfish was his best horse and would have won the Turners or BANC although Envoi Allen was fav for the Turners all year and they weren't going to take each other on
                  2020: Faugheen (not seen as a staying novice and they had Allaho has the best stayer)
                  2019: Real Steel 13/2 - no runner in the BANC. RS had been running over 2 to 2.5 miles beforehand and not seen as a stayer otherwise they'd have gone the BANC
                  2018: Invitation Only and Kemboy in the Turners, Al Boum Photo in the BANC. All decent prices. Don't think the 2 in the Turners were seen as his best staying novice?
                  2017: Yorkhill won the Turners - not a staying novice

                  Can't be bothered going further back as the statement of Willie sending his best staying novice to the Turners is just incorrect. He's done it once and for good reason.

                  If you had gone further back you would have found Djakadam.

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                  • Originally posted by Rooster Booster View Post
                    If you had gone further back you would have found Djakadam.
                    He wasn't Willie's best staying novice that year though was he?

                    Looking at the Browns he had ballycasey go off joint fav who had beaten Don cossack in a grade 1 2m5f novice pre Cheltenham

                    Ballycasey was 157 djakadam 142

                    So that just further bolsters denmans point

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                    • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

                      He wasn't Willie's best staying novice that year though was he?

                      Looking at the Browns he had ballycasey go off joint fav who had beaten Don cossack in a grade 1 2m5f novice pre Cheltenham

                      Ballycasey was 157 djakadam 142

                      So that just further bolsters denmans point
                      Ballycasey was overrated and Djakadam underrated
                      Thats how I remember it anyway

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                      • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

                        He wasn't Willie's best staying novice that year though was he?

                        Looking at the Browns he had ballycasey go off joint fav who had beaten Don cossack in a grade 1 2m5f novice pre Cheltenham

                        Ballycasey was 157 djakadam 142

                        So that just further bolsters denmans point
                        If connections didn’t know djakadam was a superior horse to ballycasey then they must have been abducted by aliens and their brains switched with single cell amoebas. I couldn’t give a monkeys what the ratings were at the time. We all knew they were much sweeter on djakadams prospects of being a gold cup horse than Ballycasey who couldn’t even jump round in his post racing trot round.
                        Last edited by Rooster Booster; 30 January 2024, 12:45 PM.

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                        • Gaelic in latest entries for Irish Arkle then. Vega in there too. Willie also entered both IL Etait Temps and Sharjah.
                          Last edited by Lobos; 30 January 2024, 01:23 PM.

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                            • Not surprised after Ginnys Destiny performance on Saturday.

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                              • Nick Rockett NHC cashout gone off on 365??

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