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  • Originally posted by Hurricane fly View Post
    Gaelic Warrior is a bit like Faugheen from Wish.

    Could be an option over any distance and smashes everyone in the winter but where as Faugheen would win the big races GW doesn't.
    Imagine a young Faugheen running in a handicap off 129

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    • Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post

      Two seconds that had the races been right handed would have been two firsts(imo)
      And that’s the main point when weighing up his chances.
      Hes clearly better right handed, so does the price for whatever race he turns up in, reflect that?
      For me, whichever race it is, it’s Cheltenham and it’s always going to be likely that he will face at least one very good opponent that will take ground from him during the race.
      Personally, I will see what race he’s finally declared in and then have a look at the opposition and then decide if he’s worth backing or not.
      Obviously he’s better right handed but people making out he shouldn’t be running at Cheltenham because of it is ridiculous. You’d think he’d been pulled up or refused to race twice the way some people talk. Two seconds in any Cheltenham festival race is pretty solid form imo especially one of which being a ballymore!

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      • Originally posted by Kautostar View Post

        Obviously he’s better right handed but people making out he shouldn’t be running at Cheltenham because of it is ridiculous. You’d think he’d been pulled up or refused to race twice the way some people talk. Two seconds in any Cheltenham festival race is pretty solid form imo especially one of which being a ballymore!
        Yeah, suppose you are right. Perhaps he's just not as good as the ratings make out. Maybe he just doesn't travel well ?
        Last edited by Lobos; 25 January 2024, 12:41 PM.

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        • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

          Yeah, suppose you are right. Perhaps he's just not as good as the ratings make out. Maybe he just doesn't travel well ?
          That Turners looks a very weak race, his only real potential opposition would be from his own stable. He finished 14L ahead of Hermes Allen in the Ballymore.

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          • Originally posted by FredFlintstone View Post

            That Turners looks a very weak race, his only real potential opposition would be from his own stable. He finished 14L ahead of Hermes Allen in the Ballymore.
            No idea what it'll look like yet. So many things can happen. We could see several drop into it depending on DRF results and other races. That wasn't Hermes running either.

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            • Originally posted by FredFlintstone View Post

              That Turners looks a very weak race, his only real potential opposition would be from his own stable. He finished 14L ahead of Hermes Allen in the Ballymore.
              Hermes Allen didn't turn up in that Ballymore though imo and I think he'll give GW a race in the Turners. If it was Kempton, GW would be a strong odds on favourite and would probably blow them away.

              Horses for courses.......

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              • Originally posted by Faugheen_Machine View Post

                Hermes Allen didn't turn up in that Ballymore though imo and I think he'll give GW a race in the Turners. If it was Kempton, GW would be a strong odds on favourite and would probably blow them away.

                Horses for courses.......
                I've backed Hermes Allen, though I'm not convinced he's actually that good. That said, the race could cut up and he could well place, but at the same time it wouldn't surprise me if he was unplaced either.

                Has to be a concern for GW going left handed, I'm of the opinion Willie won't just rely on him in the race and will have at least one other runner, possibly two, go in it with him.

                I still have the feeling Facile Vega will end up in the Turners and will probably beat them both. Madness to stick to 2m having been beat 3 times over the trip now including by the current market leader of the Arkle at last seasons festival.

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                • Originally posted by Kautostar View Post

                  Obviously he’s better right handed but people making out he shouldn’t be running at Cheltenham because of it is ridiculous. You’d think he’d been pulled up or refused to race twice the way some people talk. Two seconds in any Cheltenham festival race is pretty solid form imo especially one of which being a ballymore!
                  I get a few people on the forum might be slightly negative on him but he's a general 5/4 shot for a G1 at the festival. He's not exactly being under estimated is he. And I think can rightfully be challenged at that price, with the known negatives.

                  I don't think anybody has said he shouldn't run at Cheltenham. But that would be a stupid suggestion if they have, and not what the sport needs.

                  ​​​​​Just for balance...

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                  • I'm stupid. I don't think he should travel if he runs at DRF and his jumping/hanging lets him down again.

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                    • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                      I've backed Hermes Allen, though I'm not convinced he's actually that good. That said, the race could cut up and he could well place, but at the same time it wouldn't surprise me if he was unplaced either.

                      Has to be a concern for GW going left handed, I'm of the opinion Willie won't just rely on him in the race and will have at least one other runner, possibly two, go in it with him.

                      I still have the feeling Facile Vega will end up in the Turners and will probably beat them both. Madness to stick to 2m having been beat 3 times over the trip now including by the current market leader of the Arkle at last seasons festival.
                      Think Hermes will give you a good run for your money.
                      Hes a very good jumper and imo produced a very good run behind the French star at Kempton.
                      Think he’s a bit underestimated in the Turners market.

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                      • Originally posted by Kautostar View Post

                        Obviously he’s better right handed but people making out he shouldn’t be running at Cheltenham because of it is ridiculous. You’d think he’d been pulled up or refused to race twice the way some people talk. Two seconds in any Cheltenham festival race is pretty solid form imo especially one of which being a ballymore!
                        A good point.

                        One of those 2nds is worth a lot more than the other though

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                        • The 3/1 Gaelic Warrior NRNB is really nagging at me for the Arkle.

                          He surely won't turn up unless he's walloped Marine Nationale in the Irish Arkle, and if that was the case he's almost certainly fave

                          If it's close they'd still probably go Turners?



                          It's most likely money back, or an odds on shot?

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                          • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                            The 3/1 Gaelic Warrior NRNB is really nagging at me for the Arkle.

                            He surely won't turn up unless he's walloped Marine Nationale in the Irish Arkle, and if that was the case he's almost certainly fave

                            If it's close they'd still probably go Turners?



                            It's most likely money back, or an odds on shot?
                            I think that’s the only play imo at this stage Kev, the NRNB Cheltenham Arkle.

                            I know Q has said the 6/1 Irish Arkle is too big, which it is, only if he turns up. He doesn’t turn up you’ve done your dough.

                            He turns up and beat he goes Turners or no festival if wildly jumping right. He wins he’s odds on for the Arkle as you’ve said.

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                            • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                              The 3/1 Gaelic Warrior NRNB is really nagging at me for the Arkle.

                              He surely won't turn up unless he's walloped Marine Nationale in the Irish Arkle, and if that was the case he's almost certainly fave

                              If it's close they'd still probably go Turners?



                              It's most likely money back, or an odds on shot?
                              You'll be after Rachel Riley's job if you carry on.
                              And we know you like dressing up.

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                              • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                                The 3/1 Gaelic Warrior NRNB is really nagging at me for the Arkle.

                                He surely won't turn up unless he's walloped Marine Nationale in the Irish Arkle, and if that was the case he's almost certainly fave

                                If it's close they'd still probably go Turners?



                                It's most likely money back, or an odds on shot?
                                NRNB double with the French horse in the Turners

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