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  • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

    I could only see him in the turner's if gaelic warrior runs in the arkle

    Galopin went turners because of the speed of his jumping

    Fact to file is a solid jumper but nothing like as fast as galopin

    He was losing ground early on behind minella cocooner and could get taken out of his comfort zone in a turners

    He wins the flogas I'd be shocked if he ran in the turner's
    I think if Galopin stood up he would of romped the Turners or the Brown Advisory

    You have a good point with the jumping but Willie definitely said the BANC would be a tough test for a young inexperienced horse

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    • Is it not a case of if F2f wins the Flogas, he will end up the Turners horse and GCW if running with credit will go onto the BANC as a 3m g1 winner?

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      • Originally posted by darlojim View Post
        Is it not a case of if F2f wins the Flogas, he will end up the Turners horse and GCW if running with credit will go onto the BANC as a 3m g1 winner?
        That'd mean Willie running his best two novice chasers against each other though

        That doesn't seem likely

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        • Originally posted by darlojim View Post
          Is it not a case of if F2f wins the Flogas, he will end up the Turners horse and GCW if running with credit will go onto the BANC as a 3m g1 winner?
          That’s certainly the way I would have it, especially with the comments on Fact to file having plenty of pace and coming back in trip

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          • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

            That'd mean Willie running his best two novice chasers against each other though

            That doesn't seem likely
            2 potential best mid trip horses yeah, but GCW looks every bit a 3m chaser so him losing over 2m5 against f2f wouldnt be a big negative towards his BANC chances.

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            • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

              That'd mean Willie running his best two novice chasers against each other though

              That doesn't seem likely
              That's assuming that Mullins agrees with bookies/punters that gaelic is one of his top two when your talking about Cheltenham specifically. A lot of the noises from them would indicate that they don't think the course suits him at all, in which case he may not be one they'd rely on as a solid first choice for any race at the festival.

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              • Originally posted by riccirich View Post

                That's assuming that Mullins agrees with bookies/punters that gaelic is one of his top two when your talking about Cheltenham specifically. A lot of the noises from them would indicate that they don't think the course suits him at all, in which case he may not be one they'd rely on as a solid first choice for any race at the festival.
                He's odds on though NRNB and 11/8 best antepost.
                Mullins would know this.

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                • Ronan Groome Irish Field - Post Race Leopardstown Fact to File

                  WM does say Brown Advisory

                  It can't be copy & pasted

                  Ronan Groome reports from Leopardstown on Thursday where Fact To File emerged as another impressive novice chaser


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                  • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

                    He's odds on though NRNB and 11/8 best antepost.
                    Mullins would know this.
                    Does that really matter though? If the feeling from Mullins and the jockeys who've rode him at the track is that he genuinely isn't the same horse there and isn't capable of the sort of performances that he puts in going right handed in Ireland, then I think an impressive performance from fact to file could easily move him ahead in the pecking order, solely when it comes to chances of winning the Turners.

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                    • Originally posted by FredFlintstone View Post
                      Ronan Groome Irish Field - Post Race Leopardstown Fact to File

                      WM does say Brown Advisory

                      It can't be copy & pasted

                      Ronan Groome reports from Leopardstown on Thursday where Fact To File emerged as another impressive novice chaser


                      That quote seems to be from when he won at xmas, the following day when grangeclare won Mullins said that grangeclare could go banc and fact to file could go Turners, and then he probably changed his mind again privately the following day

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                      • Originally posted by riccirich View Post

                        Does that really matter though? If the feeling from Mullins and the jockeys who've rode him at the track is that he genuinely isn't the same horse there and isn't capable of the sort of performances that he puts in going right handed in Ireland, then I think an impressive performance from fact to file could easily move him ahead in the pecking order, solely when it comes to chances of winning the Turners.
                        In a way it doesn’t matter but Willie isn’t likely to give up a favourites chance by running two in the one race. Especially so short a price. His issue is factored into the price anyway.
                        fact to file going turners could still happen as lots of stuff in the pot. Owners thoughts for one.
                        The French horse, Gaelic, ground, jockeys and all the usual stuff.
                        But if Willie can have 2 favourites in separate races that would be his normal MO

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                        • Anyway it’s all ifs and buts
                          they could all get battered by some outsider in Dublin

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                          • Don't JP and Frank Berry have final say on the JP horses? Or does Willie get his way regarding targets with them as well.

                            Would JP run FTF against Gaelic if they rout the Flogas field and the BANC looks easier.

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                            • Originally posted by riccirich View Post

                              That quote seems to be from when he won at xmas, the following day when grangeclare won Mullins said that grangeclare could go banc and fact to file could go Turners, and then he probably changed his mind again privately the following day
                              That was post race Leopardstown. He's initial reaction was the 3 mile race at Cheltenham would suit the horse. Connections seem to be of the opinion he is a horse they can settle fine in his race I'm not sure that was the case with GDC.

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                              • A few pundits have said FTF will be Willie's GC horse next season so maybe they'll go the Galopin route . All completely up in the air and nothing set in stone.

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