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Imagine was very flat today, I was expecting him to win cosy & it was far from that! He could be one that goes better fresh!
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Just for some context it’s solely with Corals/Laddies, he’s almost exactly the same price with the main firms for both races. Pointless monitoring the markets on him until after his next run.Originally posted by Lobos View PostComment
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GW 6/1 BANC looks good value. GW may go to limerick rather than leopardstown over Xmas. Then flogas at DRF. I still feel that the original plan will stick. He’s willies best staying novice chaser by far.Comment
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There’s not remotely enough liquidity for that to be telling a story at this stage. It’ll be partly based off Willies reactionary comments post race.
Road To Cheltenham will be interesting on Thursday if Ruby is feeling open on the thoughts from the camp after the dust has settled.Comment
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Based on what?Originally posted by Guinness Village View Post
Off the top of my head, Klassical Dream's debut means Gaelic Warrior doesn't look anything 'by far' - Klassical Dream was impressive (arguably more on chase debut), and has better form than Gaelic Warrior over hurdles.Comment
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You could be right but unfortunately he's just not the same horse around Cheltenham . Sad but true.Originally posted by Guinness Village View PostComment
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Unfortunately, he could be in the same boat as Gaelic in that he too doesn't show his best around Cheltenham (Supreme win aside).Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
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Originally posted by Lobos View Post
In that case, I'd take the Supreme win over a Fred Winter place
Which for me, still makes him better than Gaelic Warrior over hurdles and had a better novice chase debut ...... so Gaelic Warrior isn't the best by far, so far!Comment
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Yeah, you can have that. I don't care though as I want Festival winners not PunchestownOriginally posted by Kevloaf View Post
In that case, I'd take the Supreme win over a Fred Winter place
Which for me, still makes him better than Gaelic Warrior over hurdles and had a better novice chase debut ...... so Gaelic Warrior isn't the best by far, so far!
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Cant agree Klassical dreams debut was more impressive or even as impressive.Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
While the jumping of Klassical dream looked great it was a dogpoo race. The 2nd 9lengths behind (kd not extended) was rated 128 over hurdles. The third no OR but best rpr over hurdles 126. 4th rated 109.
Gaelic warrior won 15 lengths also at a canter with the 2nd rated 137 over hurdles, 3rd 135, 4th 140, 5th 139. The quality of opposition was much higher for Gaelic warrior on debut.Comment
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I don't think he jumped as well thoughOriginally posted by KingSprinterSacre View Post
The quality he was against was better but also not really relevant for G1's
If you switched opposition do you think Klassic Dream would have struggled? I don't think Gaelic would have in Klassical Dream's race either obviously, but beating the trees is one thing, how they get from A to B is another, and personally I felt KD was better.... so I think that's impressive. Maybe we're looking for different things.
To be fair I am not even saying Gaelic Warrior wasn't impressive, he was ... but I just didn't agree he was miles clear. I understand why though, I just think KD could and would do the sameComment
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The quality was much better and the horses behind him atleast a few of them had lined up in grade1 races before, while not winning.
The 2nd in KDs race never ran in a graded race and the 3rd didnt run outside a maiden.
I dont disagree about the jumping and we dont know about the switch until KD does the same against better level horses over fences.
The only thing i took exception to was the chase debut being more impressive. I liked it but I couldnt agree it was better bar maybe the visuals on jumping.
But at the end of the day I fancy i could go around on the bridle in a 100m low hurdle race against my granny and it would look pretty decent. Send me around against my brothers and see how good it looks ha.
And after all that i actually like KD, havent backed him for Chelt but hope he turns out a top chaser.
Hope you are keeping well Kev!Comment
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PP have priced the christmas racing in Ireland... Novice chase markets are particularly interesting
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