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  • Originally posted by AaronLad View Post

    With the Banc on the old course and the nhc, wouldn't it be a bit easier than 3miles hurdles on the new course?
    I will be more beneficial alright good point, I just couldn’t be backing him around Cheltenham on any course over a staying trip, you generally want something that will find plenty for pressure.

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    • Originally posted by SeanRock View Post
      I’d just have a niggly doubt about his ability to get home over 3m plus around Cheltenham, he’s come around the home turn swinging in the stayers on a couple of occasions & found very little. Personally think he’s better suited to a flat speed track where he can get others in trouble with his cruising speed & hardly has to come off the bridle at all!

      If I was Willie I’d probably avoid the festival & go Leopardstown then Fairyhouse. Unless he has something like the Turners in mind for him…
      Thanks. That's a very good point raised there. Really do need him next time to be in a battle.

      Yes, he has the potential for one of those to scoop up races at Fairyhouse or even Aintree, against Cheltenham weary opposition.

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      • Originally posted by SeanRock View Post

        I will be more beneficial alright good point, I just couldn’t be backing him around Cheltenham on any course over a staying trip, you generally want something that will find plenty for pressure.
        Yeah i'd agree, might be dangerous going off in turners jumping like that mind, back on the new course

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        • Does Willie have any horses that seem likely to head to the Turners? Seems to have a lot of BANC types and FV looks nailed on for Arkle. I've chanced Klassical Dream for the Turners after today, as others have said does he stay 3 miles well enough? Jumped fantastic today very quick from takeoff to landing and has always been a bit keen. He seems to have more pace than a lot of his other staying novice chasers imo.

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          • Originally posted by taylorch1990 View Post
            Does Willie have any horses that seem likely to head to the Turners? .
            Sharjah....

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            • Originally posted by SeanRock View Post
              I’d just have a niggly doubt about his ability to get home over 3m plus around Cheltenham, he’s come around the home turn swinging in the stayers on a couple of occasions & found very little. Personally think he’s better suited to a flat speed track where he can get others in trouble with his cruising speed & hardly has to come off the bridle at all!

              If I was Willie I’d probably avoid the festival & go Leopardstown then Fairyhouse. Unless he has something like the Turners in mind for him…
              The pace set by FP in the stayers at a proper G1 championship tempo was a world away from what KD would face in a NHC. Think back to every NHC winner, ever. How many would turn in swinging behind FP in a stayers hurdle? I can't think of one. Most would have been hopelessly outpaced and almost all of them weren't multiple Grade 1 winners over 3 miles. I can see why people have their reservations but it wouldn't worry me. Stattler pissed up in the NHC after having finished on treacle in the AB 15L back in 4th posting an RPR of 140. Puts swinging in behind FP and finishing 5th in a stayers running to an RPR of 161 into perspective doesn't it?

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              • Originally posted by charlie View Post

                The pace set by FP in the stayers at a proper G1 championship tempo was a world away from what KD would face in a NHC. Think back to every NHC winner, ever. How many would turn in swinging behind FP in a stayers hurdle? I can't think of one. Most would have been hopelessly outpaced and almost all of them weren't multiple Grade 1 winners over 3 miles. I can see why people have their reservations but it wouldn't worry me. Stattler pissed up in the NHC after having finished on treacle in the AB 15L back in 4th posting an RPR of 140. Puts swinging in behind FP and finishing 5th in a stayers running to an RPR of 161 into perspective doesn't it?
                It's the type of horse KD is that worries me over an extended staying trip. Not the class of horse.

                I'd sooner see KD over a Turners trip the way he jumps + travels myself....

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                • Originally posted by jack1092 View Post

                  It's the type of horse KD is that worries me over an extended staying trip. Not the class of horse.

                  I'd sooner see KD over a Turners trip the way he jumps + travels myself....

                  …..enhanced 9-1 a/r in Hills specials.

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                  • Originally posted by SeanRock View Post
                    I’d just have a niggly doubt about his ability to get home over 3m plus around Cheltenham, he’s come around the home turn swinging in the stayers on a couple of occasions & found very little. Personally think he’s better suited to a flat speed track where he can get others in trouble with his cruising speed & hardly has to come off the bridle at all!

                    If I was Willie I’d probably avoid the festival & go Leopardstown then Fairyhouse. Unless he has something like the Turners in mind for him…
                    Absolutely my thoughts entirely. Keep him to flat RH tracks over 3 and he'll mop up.

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                    • Originally posted by taylorch1990 View Post
                      Does Willie have any horses that seem likely to head to the Turners? Seems to have a lot of BANC types and FV looks nailed on for Arkle. I've chanced Klassical Dream for the Turners after today, as others have said does he stay 3 miles well enough? Jumped fantastic today very quick from takeoff to landing and has always been a bit keen. He seems to have more pace than a lot of his other staying novice chasers imo.
                      Fact to file.

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                      • I can’t fancy fact to file for anything at festival. Probably make up into a half decent handicap chaser. Not one for me after latest performance.

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                        • Interested to see how much Inothewayourthiking has improved from his Chasing debut on Saturday. He's a JP horse so maybe they were minding him a little last time. He could well be the one to put it up to Gaelic Warrior. It's certainly no gimme.

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                          • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                            Interested to see how much Inothewayourthiking has improved from his Chasing debut on Saturday. He's a JP horse so maybe they were minding him a little last time. He could well be the one to put it up to Gaelic Warrior. It's certainly no gimme.
                            Won't be put into the race again probably, Mark walsh wasn't even trying to hide it the last day

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                            • Originally posted by taylorch1990 View Post
                              Does Willie have any horses that seem likely to head to the Turners? Seems to have a lot of BANC types and FV looks nailed on for Arkle. I've chanced Klassical Dream for the Turners after today, as others have said does he stay 3 miles well enough? Jumped fantastic today very quick from takeoff to landing and has always been a bit keen. He seems to have more pace than a lot of his other staying novice chasers imo.
                              Still have doubts whether Vega goes Arkle. Mister Policeman could have a big say as to where he ends up depending on how he performs over the minimum trip.

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                              • Originally posted by Zachx02 View Post

                                Won't be put into the race again probably, Mark walsh wasn't even trying to hide it the last day
                                Maybe. If so could be another Cromwell Cheltenham handicap special.

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