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2024 Novice Chasers

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  • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

    Sorry, I meant from a price stand point, unless they are up against a Henderson horse, they generally take up the majority of the tops of the markets (I've not factually checked, so I could be wrong).

    Also you forgot the NH Chase which brings it to 11-9
    That's a grade 2 so doesn't count.

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    • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

      That's a grade 2 so doesn't count.
      No grade was specified, but the word 'novices' was

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      • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

        No grade was specified, but the word 'novices' was
        I mean 11 is still higher than 9

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        • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

          I mean 11 is still higher than 9
          Haha indeed, but I confused it by not mentioning the price thing as Kev's original post was generally about the price, which is what I was replying to.

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          • I wonder will Willie throw caution to the wind & run Gaelic Warrior on Sunday right handed. I think there’s a beginners at Punchestown the following week over 2m3f if he wants to play it safe for the time being.

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            • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

              Not sure the Irish are quite the novice chase force you are making out

              Last 5 years
              Arkle 2 to britain 3 to ireland
              Turner's 4 to Britain 1 to Ireland
              banc 4 to britain 1 to Ireland

              So it's 10-5 to britain over the last 5 festivals despite the irish dominance in the novice hurdles
              Well said.

              They have a cracking recent record don't they!

              I'd think Britain would be in front in the Handicap Chases as well over the same period??

              Must be miles behind on the Hurdles front though.

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              • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

                Not sure the Irish are quite the novice chase force you are making out

                Last 5 years
                Arkle 2 to britain 3 to ireland
                Turner's 4 to Britain 1 to Ireland
                banc 4 to britain 1 to Ireland

                So it's 10-5 to britain over the last 5 festivals despite the irish dominance in the novice hurdles
                Turners is 3-2 to Britain. Bob Olinger and Samcro in last 5 years.

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                • With these UK versus Irish chases, if someone wants to look up the prices they won at that'd be interesting .... I think it'll reaffirm my view that there isn't as much of a need to back them ante post as early (generally)

                  There will be some I'm sure that were short and stayed short, but I was late to the party on L'Homme Presse and still had good prices, similar to Stay Away Fay.... he could win again and will still be bigger than Gaelic Warrior or some other Mullins horse after they win their first start



                  Rightly or wrong of course

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                  • Did some work on National Hunt this morning. One horse I am very interested in is Minella Cocooner at 25/1. Solid G1 form over hurdles. Only ever beaten at G1 level by The Nice Guy. Doesn't look to be one of Willie's real shining stars for Novice Chasing this season so a good chance Patrick can persuade him to put him in the NH Chase. Flemensfirth sire and Old Vic dam's sire. Plus I've just spotted Jamie Codd has put him up as a Dark Horse saying "He was beaten in a sole run over fences last year, but could well benefit from that. I wouldn’t rule out Grade 1s over three miles, but if he ended up in something like the National Hunt Chase at Cheltenham, he could be as close to a good thing as you can get.

                    Anyone else in the same camp ?

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                    • Originally posted by BuckingThe Trend View Post
                      Did some work on National Hunt this morning. One horse I am very interested in is Minella Cocooner at 25/1. Solid G1 form over hurdles. Only ever beaten at G1 level by The Nice Guy. Doesn't look to be one of Willie's real shining stars for Novice Chasing this season so a good chance Patrick can persuade him to put him in the NH Chase. Flemensfirth sire and Old Vic dam's sire. Plus I've just spotted Jamie Codd has put him up as a Dark Horse saying "He was beaten in a sole run over fences last year, but could well benefit from that. I wouldn’t rule out Grade 1s over three miles, but if he ended up in something like the National Hunt Chase at Cheltenham, he could be as close to a good thing as you can get.

                      Anyone else in the same camp ?
                      Completely agree. Want to see an entry first. It's between him and Nick Rockett for Mullins imo.

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                      • Originally posted by BuckingThe Trend View Post
                        Did some work on National Hunt this morning. One horse I am very interested in is Minella Cocooner at 25/1. Solid G1 form over hurdles. Only ever beaten at G1 level by The Nice Guy. Doesn't look to be one of Willie's real shining stars for Novice Chasing this season so a good chance Patrick can persuade him to put him in the NH Chase. Flemensfirth sire and Old Vic dam's sire. Plus I've just spotted Jamie Codd has put him up as a Dark Horse saying "He was beaten in a sole run over fences last year, but could well benefit from that. I wouldn’t rule out Grade 1s over three miles, but if he ended up in something like the National Hunt Chase at Cheltenham, he could be as close to a good thing as you can get.

                        Anyone else in the same camp ?
                        Absolutely. I'd have him ahead of Ziggy. He's on my team already, I'm hoping for an entry soon.

                        He'll need to be less forward than he was in his novice hurdle season. He wanted to get on with things, so here's hoping he's settled down a bit.

                        For me, he's the stand out for Willie/Patrick in the market.

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                        • I’m aboard the Minella Cocooner train too, can’t see the 25/1 with 365 lasting too much longer. I’ve cashed half my Letsbeclearaboutit stake & placed it on MC.

                          I had a brief chat with Keith Donoghue at Naas on Sunday about Letsbeclearaboutit. He basically reiterated what Gavin’s been saying in his recent stable tours that he’s a very forward going sort over fences. Keith said he wouldn’t see him as a NHC type but we had a bit of a laugh about that being partially due to him not getting the ride. He fancies him for the Drinmore anyway. I’ll probably wait until after that race before deciding what to do with the rest of my position on him for the NHC.
                          Last edited by SeanRock; 15 November 2023, 12:30 PM.

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                          • Will definitely need to see a declaration first for MC before getting involved. Like that comment from Codd piece though.

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                            • Originally posted by BuckingThe Trend View Post
                              Did some work on National Hunt this morning. One horse I am very interested in is Minella Cocooner at 25/1. Solid G1 form over hurdles. Only ever beaten at G1 level by The Nice Guy. Doesn't look to be one of Willie's real shining stars for Novice Chasing this season so a good chance Patrick can persuade him to put him in the NH Chase. Flemensfirth sire and Old Vic dam's sire. Plus I've just spotted Jamie Codd has put him up as a Dark Horse saying "He was beaten in a sole run over fences last year, but could well benefit from that. I wouldn’t rule out Grade 1s over three miles, but if he ended up in something like the National Hunt Chase at Cheltenham, he could be as close to a good thing as you can get.

                              Anyone else in the same camp ?
                              Aye, like him as well and think it’s likely between Minella Cocooner and Nick Rockett.

                              Waiting for an entry for MC before getting involved though.

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                              • Originally posted by BuckingThe Trend View Post
                                Did some work on National Hunt this morning. One horse I am very interested in is Minella Cocooner at 25/1. Solid G1 form over hurdles. Only ever beaten at G1 level by The Nice Guy. Doesn't look to be one of Willie's real shining stars for Novice Chasing this season so a good chance Patrick can persuade him to put him in the NH Chase. Flemensfirth sire and Old Vic dam's sire. Plus I've just spotted Jamie Codd has put him up as a Dark Horse saying "He was beaten in a sole run over fences last year, but could well benefit from that. I wouldn’t rule out Grade 1s over three miles, but if he ended up in something like the National Hunt Chase at Cheltenham, he could be as close to a good thing as you can get.

                                Anyone else in the same camp ?
                                Do you have a link to that article?

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