2024 Novice Hurdlers

[Lobos]

Love the confidence of connections of An Tobar saying.......


'He'll try and emulate what Bob Ollinger did before going on to win the Ballymore '


Big boots to follow but nice to hear nonetheless.

They could have two really nice shouts at the race come Sunday evening.

[Lobos]

What's your thoughts on Farren Glory? He's one I've left and now I'm wondering if the form is stacking up and he needs brought inside. I've backed so many for the supreme, I feel like I have to draw a line somewhere

Not sure. Form clearly worked out ok but not convinced like others that he'd have won last time. Have watched back several times and to my eye it looked a tired fall and there may not have been much left in the tank. Not as if he was well clear either. It was a heavy fall too so I'd want to see an entry for him before getting involved .

[Lobos]

An Tobar WTAF Ballymore price now into 66's from 100/1

Still some value in that IMO for anyone who fancies him for Sunday. I had him at between 50-55/1 in my book so that's why I jumped in 100/1. That price was wrong as I feel the winner Sunday will go outright fav for Ballymore.

[Quevega]

Not sure. Form clearly worked out ok but not convinced like others that he'd have won last time. Have watched back several times and to my eye it looked a tired fall and there may not have been much left in the tank. Not as if he was well clear either. It was a heavy fall too so I'd want to see an entry for him before getting involved .

What makes you think it was a tired fall ?
Absolutely no evidence of that whatsoever.

He may not have found as much as it looked like he would and he might not have won the aintree race - but when looking at the Bond, he probably would have done if in the same form.
I said it at the time, his Bond win needs marking up as he had to sit and wait in a pocket and then come round horses all sprinting for the line and added to this he missed the last and had to quicken again. Sign of a good horse and very much like Marine Nationale last season.

Not saying he's a supreme winner mind you, as I don't think he is.
But he's got more chance than any of Henry's as they all look short of grade one class. IMO

[Lobos]

No evidence other than what I saw when he fell

Just my eye Q. Others say he was travelling easily and powerfully... I say he he didn't have much left which is probably why he fell. Ones thoughts against another's that all.

[Lobos]

When they look as though they are travelling that well at the end of a race and hardly make an error but crumple on landing it is invariably down to tiredness. He may not have had anything left to give .

Of course we will never know though !

[Quevega]

No evidence other than what I saw when he fell

Just my eye Q. Others say he was travelling easily and powerfully... I say he he didn't have much left which is probably why he fell. Ones thoughts against another's that all.

I saw his front legs both whack the top of the hurdle so hard he couldn't get his legs out to land, so did a roly poly.
Now some would argue he didn't lift his legs enough cos he was tired, but I'd say they were probably wrong.

I will agree that we'll never know though.
It requires educated guesswork.
Which is why I asked you what made you think that.

You seem to think he was travelling really well, but him suddenly crumpling on landing jumping the second last is enough for you to suggest this was due to tiredness/having nothing left.
That seems more like "just guesswork" to me.

[Lobos]

We all know horses that look like they are travelling well suddenly fall into a heap and find nothing. It happens all the time. IMO he only flicked the top of the hurdle, not enough to make a horse fall unless they were fatigued. I may be wrong.

Unfortunately it was a horrible fall as well. One which you'd think he'd be lucky to come out of unscathed. Hopefully for backers he's ok.

[Studfarm254]

Lucky I’m here because I actually do know for certain. Farren was absolutely cruising and going to win on the bridal. Just look at how he seen out the previous race on bad ground at Fairyhouse, hadn’t even broke sweat on a wee flat track at aintree, wee buns for him. Quevega 1 Lobos nil

[Exar Essay]

We’ll never know whether he’d have won or not, but my educated guess is he would. But I am as sure as I can be that wasn’t a tired fall.

[Quevega]

The hooves and phalanges part of the horse (lower part of the leg) is a bit like our fingers and hand.

If we were running on all fours and hurdling but whacked the back of our hands on the top of the hurdle hard enough we would not be able to stretch out our fingers in time in order to land properly and basically end up going over our wrists and smash our noses into the ground.
It's like when we fall and place our hands out to land and protect ourselves.

He clearly had his hooves pointing in the wrong direction as he landed and therefore fell flat on his face. He must have therefore hit the top of the hurdle hard enough to make him unable to get his landing gear out in time.

I think you need to watch more monkeys running
I'm going to bed.
Enjoyed this chat, be a thrill for other members waking up to it in the morning

[Lobos]

Night , night. Sweet dreams all. Shit racing tomorrow!

[That Horse]

I think you need to watch more monkeys running

They'd need to be running over hurdles at Aintree for it to be a fair comparison.

I think I'll just watch that monkey throw shit at that granny's face instead.

Night night

[PresentingPercy]

Latest I have from connections of Farren Glory is he will not be aimed at Supreme, they don't think he has the speed for it, breeding alone cries out 3M chaser. Ballymore is their main target. They were told before Aintree by Gordon he would win that race and jockey comments after didn't change that view but for the novicey fall, and that he will learn loads from that. He's too big a price on exchanges to not have a bet on him IMO

[Lobos]

Johnnywho to be aimed at Albert.

Il Atlantique all the rage for Ballymore ahead of tomorrow's Lawlors.