2024 Novice Hurdlers

[FredFlintstone]

Lawlor entries provide few clues really.

If Ile Atlantique was to win impressively there must be a chance ballyburn would be a runner in the 2m at the DRF.

They seem to have always held Ile Atlantique is very high regard

[FinalFurlong91]

Hopefully croke park runs well

Bit dissapointed he didn't run at limerick tbh

[DenmanSacre]

Firefox will have too much for these. Not sure if Jigoro will run but I think he'd be an interesting runner to fill one of the places.

Firefox opened 9/4 with Unibet and quickly reduced now to a best of 6/4. Ile Atlantique 7/4 but wouldn't be for me in this race.

[Exar Essay]

I took 5/2 about Ile Atlantique in a double with Ballyburn (Supreme). Hoping he proves himself here which frees up Ballyburn for the Supreme. I think he'll be Paul's ride. Walsh on Mystical Power if he runs, Daryl on Readin Tommy Wrong, Patrich on Chapeau, and Danny on Lecky.

[Winging The Last]

Hopefully croke park runs well

Bit dissapointed he didn't run at limerick tbh

Even though I want him to go for the AB as well I have doubts that Croke Park will head to Cheltenham following Gordon's comments the other day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_XQyJN-pW8

At 9 minutes. Sounds like he's wanting to play slowly slowly with him ready for chasing next year

[jack1092]

I took 5/2 about Ile Atlantique in a double with Ballyburn (Supreme). Hoping he proves himself here which frees up Ballyburn for the Supreme. I think he'll be Paul's ride. Walsh on Mystical Power if he runs, Daryl on Readin Tommy Wrong, Patrich on Chapeau, and Danny on Lecky.

What's the attraction with Ballyburn for the Supreme?

[charlie]

What's the attraction with Ballyburn for the Supreme?

I think (not sure though) that ruby mentioned dropping back on a road to Cheltenham but haven’t watched it yet so could be wrong

[Lobos]

What's the attraction with Ballyburn for the Supreme?

He's got a mountain of horses he can run in the Ballymore according to Ruby. Most of them entered in Lawlors.

[FredFlintstone]

He's got a mountain of horses he can run in the Ballymore according to Ruby. Most of them entered in Lawlors.

Quoted from his sporting life column

Ballyburn won his maiden on Friday and improved hugely. He did everything right and that puts his season right back on track. I'm very pleased he got a win at Leopardstown for his owners Ronnie Bartlett and David Manasseh.

We'll see what his next race will be, we have a lot of staying types in the Lawlor's of Naas so we won't make any decisions until after we've seen the Naas race.

[Exar Essay]

What's the attraction with Ballyburn for the Supreme?

My thoughts would be as follows.

Willie has no obvious Supreme candidate yet with his 2milers disappointing so far.

Ballyburn put in the best maiden hurdle performance I've seen this year albeit on his second try.

The type of race that was, where it was a canter until Ballyburn wound it up 3f out, is no better indication of whether he'd be best suited to 2m or 2m5f.

Willie said in the aftermath there's no need to step him up to 2m6f at the DRF. Therefore, he may well run over 2m and, if winning, would surely head this way.

Willie then said in his SL column that they've not decided his route yet and noted they'd a lot of stayers in the Lawlor's (thus my thinking re the double).

Ruby said on RTC x LTR that that he'd be sending Ballyburn to the Supreme (and joked that Willie might not listed to him).

If Ile Atlantique, or any of the others for that matter, beat Gordon's lot (particularly Firefox), I think Willie would be pretty confident that horse could win the Ballymore and might then be keen to send Ballyburn to the Supreme.

[Lobos]

Firefox will have too much for these. Not sure if Jigoro will run but I think he'd be an interesting runner to fill one of the places.

Firefox opened 9/4 with Unibet and quickly reduced now to a best of 6/4. Ile Atlantique 7/4 but wouldn't be for me in this race.

Personally think it's the wrong race for Firefox. No reason to step him up imo. Stick to 2m. Think he'll get outstayed.

[Quevega]

My thoughts would be as follows.

Willie has no obvious Supreme candidate yet with his 2milers disappointing so far.

Ballyburn put in the best maiden hurdle performance I've seen this year albeit on his second try.

The type of race that was, where it was a canter until Ballyburn wound it up 3f out, is no better indication of whether he'd be best suited to 2m or 2m5f.

Willie said in the aftermath there's no need to step him up to 2m6f at the DRF. Therefore, he may well run over 2m and, if winning, would surely head this way.

Willie then said in his SL column that they've not decided his route yet and noted they'd a lot of stayers in the Lawlor's (thus my thinking re the double).

Ruby said on RTC x LTR that that he'd be sending Ballyburn to the Supreme (and joked that Willie might not listed to him).

If Ile Atlantique, or any of the others for that matter, beat Gordon's lot (particularly Firefox), I think Willie would be pretty confident that horse could win the Ballymore and might then be keen to send Ballyburn to the Supreme.

Yep, I'm massively against Ballyburn (for supreme) on breeding and his supreme price early on was unattractive also, after his debut and his head carriage I was even more convinced, but there was something about his run the other day, coupled with his 2 milers running poorly upped in grade that made me think otherwise. So I've since covered at small stakes at 20+ to 1 on exchange and using double odds with MGM. I also did the related double with sky at 16-1 with Ile atlantque 16-1, before they dropped the price.
I'm on Jeriko also and have doubled him with Ballyburn for the Ballymore, so this cover made sense given my positions.

I'm hoping Ile Atlantique wins the Lawlors.
And fully expect Ballyburn to run in the 2 miler at Dublin, with Townend riding so likely Favourite also.

Nothing on Firefox for any race, but the concern that his maiden win might be very strong form is looking more likely, so I'll be considering him this week for a WTAF I reckon.

[DenmanSacre]

Personally think it's the wrong race for Firefox. No reason to step him up imo. Stick to 2m. Think he'll get outstayed.

He'd see out 3m for me so the Ballymore wouldn't be a problem. Think he will beat these comfortably this weekend and its between him and Ballyburn for the Ballymore.

I think 2m would suit him just as well though but I think a couple of others could just do him for toe.

[Eggs]

….PP Lawlors betting;

Firefox 11/8 (from 2-1)
Ile At 7/4 (from 7/2)
CDS 5 (from 3-1)
Croke 5-1
An Tobar 8-1 (from 7-1)
Mystical Power 10-1 (from 14-1)
12-1 bar

[jack1092]

My thoughts would be as follows.

Willie has no obvious Supreme candidate yet with his 2milers disappointing so far.

Ballyburn put in the best maiden hurdle performance I've seen this year albeit on his second try.

The type of race that was, where it was a canter until Ballyburn wound it up 3f out, is no better indication of whether he'd be best suited to 2m or 2m5f.

Willie said in the aftermath there's no need to step him up to 2m6f at the DRF. Therefore, he may well run over 2m and, if winning, would surely head this way.

Willie then said in his SL column that they've not decided his route yet and noted they'd a lot of stayers in the Lawlor's (thus my thinking re the double).

Ruby said on RTC x LTR that that he'd be sending Ballyburn to the Supreme (and joked that Willie might not listed to him).

If Ile Atlantique, or any of the others for that matter, beat Gordon's lot (particularly Firefox), I think Willie would be pretty confident that horse could win the Ballymore and might then be keen to send Ballyburn to the Supreme.

Fair points. Breeding along with the some of his other quotes from WPM, suggest to me it's the Ballymore.

However, purely as cover i might have to take him for the Supreme in case the Lawlor's does throw up a WPM winner which might push them to really consider it.

Like your double Quevega

Cheers boys n girls.