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2024 Novice Hurdlers

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  • #76
    Originally posted by darlojim View Post

    Are there restrictions for the amount of bumpers run you can have in Ireland?
    Can only have three bumper runs before Champion Bumper these days can't you?

    Not exactly your question but I assume that's the point Lobos was getting towards.

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    • #77
      Originally posted by Benjy23 View Post

      Can only have three bumper runs before Champion Bumper these days can't you?

      Not exactly your question but I assume that's the point Lobos was getting towards.
      And can't run in a Bumper as a 6yo . Those are the rules in UK though. Not sure about Ireland. I know Patrick wants her to win a listed Bumper before Willie sends her over hurdles so hopefully the race at the end of this month will be her last flat run. They could of course just run in that and then hold her back until March if they thought she was up to it. We'll see. Depends on the quality of his other Novice Mares I suppose.

      Edit..... obviously can't do the last bit as she'll be 6 on Jan 1st. So fucking confusing!!!!
      Last edited by Lobos; 26 September 2023, 05:34 PM.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Lobos View Post

        And can't run in a Bumper as a 6yo . Those are the rules in UK though. Not sure about Ireland. I know Patrick wants her to win a listed Bumper before Willie sends her over hurdles so hopefully the race at the end of this month will be her last flat run. They could of course just run in that and then hold her back until March if they thought she was up to it. We'll see. Depends on the quality of his other Novice Mares I suppose.

        Edit..... obviously can't do the last bit as she'll be 6 on Jan 1st. So fucking confusing!!!!
        At this moment in time she looks quite out of the ordinary, looking forward to her taking on stiffer competition id say shell be more then fine, usually though mullins will enter a mare into the royal bond as one of his main hopes for the novice mares

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        • #79
          Originally posted by Ray View Post

          At this moment in time she looks quite out of the ordinary, looking forward to her taking on stiffer competition id say shell be more then fine, usually though mullins will enter a mare into the royal bond as one of his main hopes for the novice mares
          She'll have to go some to run in the Royal Bond !

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Benjy23 View Post

            Can only have three bumper runs before Champion Bumper these days can't you?

            Not exactly your question but I assume that's the point Lobos was getting towards.
            Yeah I knew the rule for UK bumper runners, but didn't know if that applied to IRE also.

            It will be a slow and steady campaign I'd say, and personally, doubt we'll see her at Cheltenham in March.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Lobos View Post

              And can't run in a Bumper as a 6yo . Those are the rules in UK though. Not sure about Ireland. I know Patrick wants her to win a listed Bumper before Willie sends her over hurdles so hopefully the race at the end of this month will be her last flat run. They could of course just run in that and then hold her back until March if they thought she was up to it. We'll see. Depends on the quality of his other Novice Mares I suppose.

              Edit..... obviously can't do the last bit as she'll be 6 on Jan 1st. So fucking confusing!!!!
              You can run in a Bumper as a 6yo up until the end of the Jumps season.

              They cannot run in Bumpers after that date (usually the end of April)

              Link below


              "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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              • #82
                Originally posted by Saxon Warrior View Post

                You can run in a Bumper as a 6yo up until the end of the Jumps season.

                They cannot run in Bumpers after that date (usually the end of April)

                Link below


                https://support.racingadmin.co.uk/op.../rule-changes/
                Thanks for clarifying Sax. Not that clear is it.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                  Thanks for clarifying Sax. Not that clear is it.
                  Clearer than the initial release which on most fair readings indicates that 6yo were banned from May 23:



                  BHA all over the shop again.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post

                    Clearer than the initial release which on most fair readings indicates that 6yo were banned from May 23:



                    BHA all over the shop again.
                    Yep. That's the one I read. Hope Willie reads that one when deciding Aurora Vega's season
                    ​​​​​​

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                    • #85
                      Just more confused than I was 10 minutes ago

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Saxon Warrior View Post

                        You can run in a Bumper as a 6yo up until the end of the Jumps season.

                        They cannot run in Bumpers after that date (usually the end of April)

                        Link below


                        https://support.racingadmin.co.uk/op.../rule-changes/
                        I spoke with Paul Ferguson yesterday regarding this as his book is certain that 6yos cannot run in bumpers in the UK. He explained that he spoke directly with the BHA before authoring that part of his book and that they confirmed that 6yos are ineligible in any NHF race from 1st May 2023. That interpretation does seem contrary to the clause as it is now written though.

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post

                          I spoke with Paul Ferguson yesterday regarding this as his book is certain that 6yos cannot run in bumpers in the UK. He explained that he spoke directly with the BHA before authoring that part of his book and that they confirmed that 6yos are ineligible in any NHF race from 1st May 2023. That interpretation does seem contrary to the clause as it is now written though.
                          The way it's wrote is awful. Really needs rewording.

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post

                            I spoke with Paul Ferguson yesterday regarding this as his book is certain that 6yos cannot run in bumpers in the UK. He explained that he spoke directly with the BHA before authoring that part of his book and that they confirmed that 6yos are ineligible in any NHF race from 1st May 2023. That interpretation does seem contrary to the clause as it is now written though.
                            Wow. I'm not the only one to be perplexed by it then.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post

                              I spoke with Paul Ferguson yesterday regarding this as his book is certain that 6yos cannot run in bumpers in the UK. He explained that he spoke directly with the BHA before authoring that part of his book and that they confirmed that 6yos are ineligible in any NHF race from 1st May 2023. That interpretation does seem contrary to the clause as it is now written though.
                              It's season to season

                              You cannot start as a 6yo in Bumpers at the start of each season, and finish it as a 7yo - 1st May (approx)

                              You can start in Bumpers as a 5yo in the season, and finish it as a 6yo, in March, April.

                              Should be pretty easy for us to follow the logic.
                              "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by Saxon Warrior View Post

                                It's season to season

                                You cannot start as a 6yo in Bumpers at the start of each season, and finish it as a 7yo - 1st May (approx)

                                You can start in Bumpers as a 5yo in the season, and finish it as a 6yo, in March, April.

                                Should be pretty easy for us to follow the logic.
                                Yes, that's how I read the updated version too. But the BHA advisor apparently didn't if Paul Ferguson's communication with them is reported correctly.

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