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2024 Novice Hurdlers

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  • Originally posted by Zachx02 View Post

    It'll be the Turners end of, no point debating it as not a single chance he'd stay over 2 over fences if he goes the supreme
    Or is it the three-miler...?

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    • I knew Willie wouldn't give a steer re ballyburn

      These market moves are people manipulating it surely

      Put money down in the Supreme, lay it off at the new low

      Lay him in the ballymore back him at the new high

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      • Originally posted by Zachx02 View Post

        It'll be the Turners end of, no point debating it as not a single chance he'd stay over 2 over fences if he goes the supreme
        A lot of people (me included) said the Ballymore was the most likely target at the start of this season and very little chance he'd run in the Supreme....

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        • Mystical Power

          He doesn't show me much at home at all. We brought him up to Ballinrobe for a bumper hoping to win, which he did, he then won over hurdles at Galway and when I upped him in grade in the Moscow Flyer he bolted in. He's a bit like his mother. When you consider Jim Bolger had Annie Power and didn't run her as a three-year-old she must not have been showing him any reason to run. She ended up running in a bumper and just kept on improving - he's probably the same. It's a bit like Quevega's foals who are all late maturing, which is no problem, you just have to have the patience to wait for them. He's in the Supreme and Baring Bingham. He has the pedigree to win at either distance and I'll be listening a lot to what Mark Walsh wants to do. Mark was very taken with him in his last bit of work before the Lawlor's of Naas which we had intended on running him in, but when that was cancelled we changed tack. I just thought he was brilliant in the Moscow Flyer over two miles. He was quite keen in that race which would mean we would maybe favour the Supreme as if Mark was a little afraid he might not be able to settle him in the Baring Bingham that would have a big bearing.

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          • Originally posted by OverTheLast View Post
            There is nothing there except the comparison to Faugheen. He went Ballymore, but is it just a bum steer? Not so sure I can see it. It took a long time for Faugheen to go back up in trip, and I don't see Ballyburn going anywhere near a Champion Hurdle. Three miles was a stretch for Faugheen, I don't think it is for Ballyburn.

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            • In the scenario where Ballyburn goes Supreme what would be the harder task…beating Jade De Grugy off levels (and giving Dysart weight) or Ile Atlantique and co in receipt of weight? If RTW also goes for the AB at what point would the BB look more winnable to connections of Brighterdaysahead. I appreciate it’s very unlikely but they could be going for the harder race imo. Certainly if you are a book builder 14 nrnb is a must imo.

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              • Originally posted by JackieMoon33 View Post

                Couldn't agree more with this. The amount of wasted keystrokes on the topic is unbelievable. The worst thing about it is that it will carry on through the post-season and all of next season as the discussion over what Ballyburn's novice chase target will be
                Said he reminds him of Faugheen so it'll be Champion Hurdle next year

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                • ….Dancing City;
                  I've thought a good bit about him since I bought him. He had disappointed me a little bit but since we've extended his trip the reason I bought him is starting to show. I thought he was going to be a bit faster but he looks an out-and-out stayer - an Albert Bartlett type. He's going to be good each-way value.

                  High Class Hero;
                  He started off as a summer horse but he kept winning and going up in grade all the time. I decided to give him a break and asked David Casey, who does a lot of the race programmes for me, to find a nice staying race for him not at the Dublin Racing Festival as I didn't want to pitch him straight in there. He found a nice race at Thurles which High Class Hero won and confirmed he can match the winter horses. He's a live prospect for the Albert Bartlett.

                  Ile Atlantique;
                  I've had him marked as a Baring Bingham horse all season. He had to do the donkey work when Chapeau de Soleil missed the first couple of hurdles at Naas and that wasn't part of the plan. He then got robbed by Readin Tommy Wrong. I still think he's going to be a big runner in the Baring Bingham.
                  Last edited by Eggs; 27 February 2024, 01:12 PM.

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                  • Tullyhill

                    He only has an entry in the Supreme and I'm sort of sorry now I didn't put him in one or two other races, but I remember at the time I was quite adamant saying he doesn't stay and he's not going to be entered in the Baring Bingham. Looking at his pedigree and the way he goes you'd probably say he could stay but I was so disappointed by his first run at Punchestown even if he did everything wrong that day and our horses weren't in the shape they are now. But I'm happy enough I made the right decision and will let him take his chance in the Supreme. We've got him jumping well. That's a task David Casey was deputised to do, and he's done a fantastic job with him. He's one of those horses who needs to jump two or three mornings a week before he runs. If you didn't school him for two weeks, it would be as if he'd forgotten everything. He just needs constant schooling and he'll get that, but I hate doing too much as there's always a risk of injury when you school horses. He's definitely in the picture for the Supreme as his bumper form is probably better than the others and the only blot on his copybook is his first run over hurdles, but I think I ran him over the wrong trip and he wasn't prepared properly. Now we know what to do with him it puts him right in the picture. I'm not considering supplementing him for another race - I often find when I make a decision like that so far out it's usually for the best.

                    Western Diego

                    He's good enough to go to Cheltenham but might be better off staying at home.




                    Laughed a lot at the latter, why bother

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                    • Especially after the war and piece on Tullyhill

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                      • This morning everything strengthening up in the Supreme on the exchanges, bar Ballyburn, with a decent enough amount laid @ 3 for him.

                        That said, no significant move for him in the Ballymore either, so make of it what you will.

                        Asian Master the talking horse of the preview nights it would seem, but I just can't bring myself to even consider him, let alone back him. If he's even good enough to go close in a Supreme then Better Days Ahead is a cert in the Pipe, whom Asian Master beat 10 lengths but getting 15lbs from over an inadequate enough trip for BDA.

                        Asian Master last matched at 22 on the exchanges.

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                        • https://twitter.com/TomParkRP/status...zwbm657Cw&s=19 this thread the last few weeks summed up in 1 tweet

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                          • Thats been Gaelic Warrior all season

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                            • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
                              Asian Master the talking horse of the preview nights it would seem, but I just can't bring myself to even consider him, let alone back him. If he's even good enough to go close in a Supreme then Better Days Ahead is a cert in the Pipe, whom Asian Master beat 10 lengths but getting 15lbs from over an inadequate enough trip for BDA.

                              Asian Master last matched at 22 on the exchanges.
                              I think Tony Costello is sick and not doing too good, so this would be one of those fairytale stories that might be latched onto. Tonys son Tom hopefully gets to the festival on him. Big racing family going back decades in Ireland. The grandfather Tom found the horse my username is named after aswell as Best Mate and others. Be great if they got a big day.

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                              • I believe it is all falling into place I. The novice hurdles…….. until tomorrow when I’ll be confused again

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