July ‘23 Yankee

[Quevega]

….despite Quevega reasoned objection, I’m still tempted to get Mr Policeman on board & the steer from you guys at this point seems to be the Arkle. We can keep that discussion going, he might not have beaten much in his French win but it was still visually impressive quickening up from the front.

Noticing a few doubts about Good Land (Turners). With IEP possibly going hurdling is there anything else in that race posters like? The other one getting mentions elsewhere on the site is Mirazur West for the Supreme (perhaps one for next month if we’re doing a ‘Novices Yankee’).

I would certainly ignore me for yankee purposes as I rarely do them myself, for obvious reasons.

But for anyone thinking of backing Mister Policeman (I assume he has been mentioned by connections as going novice chasing, because if not then the price is horrendous) at the price he is now (20-1 ?)
I thought it worth pointing out his breeding being very questionable for one of the races at the festival where it's historically significant.
He looks more like a horse bought as a dual purpose type to me, but if confirmed going novice chasing then fair enough.

The closest example I can give as a comparison is Energumene, who at this stage was priced around 66-1 (at least 50-1), He had a similar number of runs under his belt and one impressive maiden hurdle win. Obviously he's with Mullins and Bloom and went novice chasing in a year when Mullins had been beaten in the supreme the season before. We had a clear arkle favourite (supreme winner shishkin) that year, whilst this year we will likely have the supreme one and two.

After an impressive chase win on debut over 2m 4f (the distance merchants were swayed by this, and not his relations and run style) you could still get 20-1 on Energumene in January, just prior to when he beat the flat bred and shorter priced (at the time) for the arkle - Captain Guinness (never backed that bag of shit either). Similar discussions were had at the time, and in other years before with horses like Mengli fucking khan.

"He's the One" has pointed out that their are chasers in the bloodline of the granddaddy sires he's related too, but literally "Hewick's the one" he could name that anyone would have heard of, and not directly related either.

His breeding for an arkle is poor and therefore his price is poor. IMO

That's not to say he can't win it or become a good chaser, as many flat bred types can have good careers, but very few make champion chasers, or arkle winners.
And Triple Threat could turn out into a brilliant National Hunt stud for all I know.

Someone save this post and come back to me with it after he's won the arkle

[Lobos]

Mirazure West owned by JP along with current Supreme hot fav A Dream To Share. If they both turn out useful Hurdlers are they likely to be split for the Fez ??

Just seen, A Dream To Share not in a Yankee yet????!!!!! Best Bumper horse EVER.........please explain. Can't be the price surely.

[Eggs]

Mirazure West owned by JP along with current Supreme hot fav A Dream To Share. If they both turn out useful Hurdlers are they likely to be split for the Fez ??

Just seen, A Dream To Share not in a Yankee yet????!!!!! Best Bumper horse EVER.........please explain. Can't be the price surely.

…surprised me too, Lobos. I have nominated him a couple of times but FJs don’t seem keen on him for some reason. Maybe it’s the trainer.

[Lobos]

…surprised me too, Lobos. I have nominated him a couple of times but FJs don’t seem keen on him for some reason. Maybe it’s the trainer.

Yep. If trained by Willie he'd be nearer 2/1.

[Ray]

Its because hes a flat horse really aint he

[Lobos]

Its because hes a flat horse really aint he

Already schooled nicely over hurdles prior to Fez win.

[JackieMoon33]

Mirazure West owned by JP along with current Supreme hot fav A Dream To Share. If they both turn out useful Hurdlers are they likely to be split for the Fez ??

Just seen, A Dream To Share not in a Yankee yet????!!!!! Best Bumper horse EVER.........please explain. Can't be the price surely.

JP also has Down Memory Lane and Fact To File too that I rate highly (plus others) so he won't be able to split them all.
I made a lengthy post a while back why ADTS is not a backable price in comparison to some notable others.

[Ray]

Already schooled nicely over hurdles prior to Fez win.

I just wouldnt have him as my ideal type to back for the supreme, also those bumper winners dont really win supremes either, so at 9/2 id not be interested in the slightest, i thought tullyhill gave him alot to think about on only his second start aswell

[JackieMoon33]

I just wouldnt have him as my ideal type to back for the supreme, also those bumper winners dont really win supremes either, so at 9/2 id not be interested in the slightest, i thought tullyhill gave him alot to think about on only his second start aswell

https://www.fatjockey.com/forum/fat-...413#post422413

You can’t knock ADTS form at all but I certainly will knock his price this far out. He was the best bumper horse last season but he’s not faced all the horses that could turn up in novice hurdles this season. You’ve got the following risks that make me stay clear of him at the price:

1.) Mullins horses from France that were kept back for this season to acclimatise.
2.) Mullins new purchase from France that we don’t know of yet.
3.) Notable bumper horses that he didn’t face, in particular from the same owner: Mirazur West and Down Memory Lane. Both of those lads are potential superstars in my eyes.
4.) Is ADTS even guaranteed to go for the Supreme? After watching him cruise up alongside Fact To File at Leopardstown and then sprint away from him, I immediately thought he had the look of a Ballymore horse.
5.) He’s bred more like a Cup Horse than a jumps horse. Will he continue to progress? Will he stay sound? Will he take to jumping?

[Eggs]

JP also has Down Memory Lane and Fact To File too that I rate highly (plus others) so he won't be able to split them all.
I made a lengthy post a while back why ADTS is not a backable price in comparison to some notable others.

…yep, I read your diary with interest. Would you rate those novices in any particular order?

[JackieMoon33]

…yep, I read your diary with interest. Would you rate those novices in any particular order?

Mirazur West (Supreme) and Down Memory Lane (Ballymore) would likely be the pick at the prices right now. Fact To File I think would be interesting in an AB but there were rumours he could go chasing.

[Eggs]

Mirazur West (Supreme) and Down Memory Lane (Ballymore) would likely be the pick at the prices right now. Fact To File I think would be interesting in an AB but there were rumours he could go chasing.

…think I saw you put up that big priced double, will follow you in now.

[JackieMoon33]

…think I saw you put up that big priced double, will follow you in now.

It’s speculative but I would not be surprised if they’ll both be single figures come the Festival.

[Lobos]

After winning at Punchestown.....

A Dream To Share became the first horse this century in Ireland to win five bumpers, and his trainer, who turns 86 next week, already has his sights set on a novice hurdling campaign.
“The horse is a great battler and that is a big plus,” Kiely said. “John was very strong on him. I couldn’t have had the horse better and I was delighted with him coming here. He has jumped a hurdle before we started anything but he will have plenty of practice now.

[Lobos]

Jockey M O'Sullivan on Mr Policeman.



“He will get a trip and is very relaxed and I had to wake him up once or twice. He is very clever to jump and is a nice prospect.”