2024 Champion Hurdle (Previously Constitution Hill thread)

[Rooster Booster]

Yes. You've got it Rooster.

Cool thanks lobos

[Carnage at Taunton]

Ireland need another description for worse than heavy

Swamp is my suggestion

Clonmel was a swamp the other day, took cash back 5 minutes to cover the last 2 furlongs

And I’m sure CB loved that!!

[FinalFurlong91]

The issue with this logic is…. if it came up Heavy at Cheltenham, would Henderson run or pull Con Hill out

has nothing to do with the safety of the horse, and all about targeting a certain race

that’s all he has to say, “out target is the Cheltenham festival, we want to run this and that race, before hand, and running him over testing ground will impact that”

Yup

He just doesn't want to risk bottoming his horses in the less prestigious races on horrible ground

Which is all he needs to say not that it's unsafe or dangerous which it isnt

[Lobos]

Ireland need another description for worse than heavy

Swamp is my suggestion

Clonmel was a swamp the other day, took cash back 5 minutes to cover the last 2 furlongs

They didn't even bother covering their course last weekend and it was still on. They've got it right. Just get on with it. Start fining the likes of Henderson for pulling horses out if it is deemed safe and raceable. Imagine if footballers were pulled out of games if it were too firm. Just getting pathetic now . And don't start on fences/hurdles being missed out because of low sun. I never knew the sun was higher 10 years ago.

[Carnage at Taunton]

Yup

He just doesn't want to risk bottoming his horses in the less prestigious races on horrible ground

Which is all he needs to say not that it's unsafe or dangerous which it isnt

Has he said the ground is unsafe or dangerous for his horses tomorrow?

[Quevega]

So he felt the ground was dangerous and pulled his horse.
Is that not just his opinion?
And he felt it was irresponsible to run him?
Again his opinion?

The inference I get from that is he was seriously concerned about the welfare of his horse if he ran him.
Part of the trainers job I would have thought.

If I was the journalist I’d remind him he ran constitution hill on heavy as a very inexperienced horse.

[Carnage at Taunton]

If I was the journalist I’d remind him he ran constitution hill on heavy as a very inexperienced horse.

Absolutely, but that quote referred to Ascot when the ground was deemed too firm for CH by his trainer
Ive yet to see a quote that running him on heavy is dangerous.

[Rooster Booster]

If I was the journalist I’d remind him he ran constitution hill on heavy as a very inexperienced horse.

I’m still trying to shake off the image of a naked Nicky Henderson throwing paint around everywhere…thanks for that Q

[Brooksie]

They didn't even bother covering their course last weekend and it was still on. They've got it right. Just get on with it. Start fining the likes of Henderson for pulling horses out if it is deemed safe and raceable. Imagine if footballers were pulled out of games if it were too firm. Just getting pathetic now . And don't start on fences/hurdles being missed out because of low sun. I never knew the sun was higher 10 years ago.

Because it isn't hard enough finding owners in this sport. Lets add another cost to that by fining anyone that doesn't want to run their horse lmao. Come on Lobos you can't seriously think that's the answer.

At the end of the day if the owner doesn't want to run their horse that's up to them. They pay the bills, entry fees etc.

[Quevega]

Absolutely, but that quote referred to Ascot when the ground was deemed too firm for CH by his trainer
Ive yet to see a quote that running him on heavy is dangerous.

Oh righto
assumed he’d said about this weekend
thought the comments seemed familiar

[Quevega]

Be interesting if he does pull the champion and still runs shishkin !
That would seem odd.

[Rooster Booster]

Be interesting if he does pull the champion and still runs shishkin !
That would seem odd.

Really? I suspect the trainer thinks that one needs to run to have a chance in his target race and the other doesn’t. You see it differently?

[Lobos]

Because it isn't hard enough finding owners in this sport. Lets add another cost to that by fining anyone that doesn't want to run their horse lmao. Come on Lobos you can't seriously think that's the answer.

At the end of the day if the owner doesn't want to run their horse that's up to them. They pay the bills, entry fees etc.

Owners have very, very little say. Trainers make the decisions the majority of the time. Maybe owners should have bigger balls. And yes, I'm deadly serious. Fine the trainer who makes the decision.

[Quevega]

Really? I suspect the trainer thinks that one needs to run to have a chance in his target race and the other doesn’t. You see it differently?

Definitely
Who has the hardest task on Boxing Day ?
One will be massive odds on and running 2 miles.
Shishkin got to go three and odds against.

How can he possibly be so sure it’ll affect constitution hills chances but not shishkin ?

If I was a journalist I’d ask him that question as well.
He’d likely not answer and get upset about it though.

[Craigy14]

Be interesting if he does pull the champion and still runs shishkin !
That would seem odd.

Was just reading that shishkin had a gallop at Kempton and jumped 10 fences so he could well be pulled as well Q