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This is the main issue for me. Conflating the two things isn't good for anyone and rather implies that others are risking their horses welfare by running them on similar ground, which isn't the case. -
Also, I can't see how he can pull out one and not the rest, so there will likely be a whole heap of withdrawals tomorrow. Think he's got 8 due to run currently.Originally posted by Exar Essay View PostComment
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He's probably trying to get him to drift to 2/1 again before wading in ...... again. I think he'll run.Comment
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If he says its a welfare issue and pulls Constitution Hill, but leaves in Jonbon and Shishkin, what message does that give.Comment
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Ground is better on the chase course I believe, so I’m hopeful Jonbon still runs.
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There was a meeting last year where he pulled Con Hill and said the ground wasn't safe. Wasn't safe. Outrageous thing to say, and makes every race and trainer taking part look terrible - all because he doesn't like the heat he gets for his tacticsOriginally posted by Exar Essay View PostComment
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There were a few non runners that day. Ascot, I was there listening to them all being announced.Originally posted by robith View Post
Not just CH.Comment
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Yes, but their trainers didn't start doing press interviews borderline hysterically saying in essence those horses still running were being put in harm's wayOriginally posted by Carnage at Taunton View PostComment
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They'd call it G/S ground in Ireland. Pathetic.Comment
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I do understand your anger and have often been left feeling similar frustration and anger by Hendo and indeed other trainers at times. Trainers withdraw their horses all the time because they deem conditions unsafe for their horse when other trainers disagree and allow their horse to run. It’s just different opinions. The difference is the vast majority of times it happens the trainer doesn’t get asked to justify their decision. I suspect if every trainer was interviewed every time this happened we’d hear more comments similar to Hendos.Originally posted by robith View Post
I had a share in a horse that my trainer withdrew because he felt conditions were unsafe while others let their horses run. He was very clear to us that he felt the other trainers were taking an unnecessary risk with their horse. He didn’t get asked why he withdrew, if he had been should he have told the interviewer what he considered to be the truth or should he have lied or misdirected for the good of the sport….genuine question? If you believe the latter we are in quite strange territory where trainers are saying one thing in private and another in public just in order to maintain the good reputation of the sport.
Some people tend towards the rational side and some more to the emotional side. These are deeply ingrained traits within each of us. Typically those of us that are more rational in our thought process sometimes find emotional types just that , very dramatic and emotional. Those of us that are more emotional in style sometimes find rational types a little too uncaring and clinical. The reality is that both types care and both types experience similar emotions they just react and respond to them very differently.
A trainer much less emotional and a lot more rational than Hendo could perhaps say personally I believe the conditions today aren’t safe but I understand why others may feel differently, it’s a game of opinions. Is this okay to say or is that damaging the sport? If that is damaging the sport then are we really saying we feel trainers should be censored on this subject. If so surely we shouldn’t interview them about it?
Please trust this post is said with nothing but positive intent. I just personally find this a difficult subject to be black and white on.Comment
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Did he actually say that horses still running were being put in harms way ?Originally posted by robith View Post
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"No people in our world, the people that walk the courses, know the horses and have to accept the consequences of what happens when you run on that ground, there's no possible way we would've taken that chance.Originally posted by Carnage at Taunton View Post
"It would've been suicidal, stupid and in the interest of horse welfare, we should've been banned for life if we had."
The inference is accidental, but clear
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I don’t think soft or heavy ground can ever be described as unsafe. If anyone has then that’s certainly feeding the anti horse racing campaign.
Ive no idea what Henderson or anyone else has said today but if safety has been mentioned then that’s really sad.
Youre basically saying horses should not exert themselves. So racing in general is a bad idea.
if a horse gets tired on any ground or appears distressed then the jockey is responsible for doing the right thing.
Nico is never shy of backing off a horse if he doesn’t get the right feel or response.
If Henderson simply doesn’t want a potentially attritional race cos he wants to run at kempton then thats fine. And he should simply say that.
IF he’s been playing the histrionics again then the BHA should send him a polite letter.Comment
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