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2023 Martin Pipe Handicap Hurdle

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  • #16
    Cool Survivor? Good 4th in the Nathaniel Lacy. Connections have targeted this many times, owner & trainer. Had a rating of 136 before yesterday.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Outlaw View Post

      All in, you think he's at least low 150s then I take it?

      I don't think this years novices have been particularly strong so even thou he has form amongst the leading protagonists I'm not sure id be too interested in him myself for all I can see why people would with the graded form.
      I'd definitely fancy him yeah.... just the blanket novices record enough to give a different angle and without hindsight we can never know....

      Solid novice graded form dropping into handicaps I prefer than unexposed tree-beating ... and just having that versus 'exposed' horses I like as an angle, so I know I'd get giddy.


      Won't always work out but the horses he got close to, may be way better than we realise... so that's the angle for me.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post


        Talk me through the Landrake case then....
        You mean you don't read my diary? I'm hurt From 20th Jan...

        Originally posted by Dandrew99
        Couldn't resist my first bet in a handicap...

        I've landed on Landrake (15.3/1) NRNB for the Martin Pipe before he runs tomorrow. Same race that Banbridge won last year, which will be his third run. He's also entered in the Column Of Fire/Dallas Des Pictons race which Gordon used as a Martin Pipe prep. Running back over 2 miles tomorrow where he clearly wants further.

        Currently rated 135 in Ireland. Beaten in a bumper by Good Land who I thought won really well last time out and is second favourite for the Nathaniel Lacy, actually think he's excellent value for the Ballymore. Also third behind Facile Vega and narrowly beaten by Madmansgame in his other bumper runs. Next time out he beat Corbetts Cross (143) by a length (getting 3 pounds) who is now second favourite for the Albert Bartlett. Then in his last race he beat Dovlator by 6 lengths giving him 7 pounds, who himself was beaten by Salvador Ziggy (getting 11 pounds) who is now rated 145 and a single figure price for the Pertemps.

        Basically everything I look about him makes me like him even more. Entered in the right races, right connections, looks to have at least half a stone in hand, running over a trip too short as a prep. Also got entered in the UK at the start of January so Gordon clearly has a handicap in mind for him.

        Got a couple of others I've been hovering over but hopefully got some time before I have to do anything with them.

        Edit: Just found he was also entered in a race planning race in November 2021 for the Martin Pipe... Got to be a long term plan this!
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        Fell in the Banbridge race when clearly going the best (IMO). Entered on Tuesday which is the race that Gordon used for The Bosses Oscar on the way to the Martin Pipe. Since then obviously Good Land has franked the form massively (although in bumpers, pinch of salt but still good)

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Speedy17 View Post
          Cool Survivor? Good 4th in the Nathaniel Lacy. Connections have targeted this many times, owner & trainer. Had a rating of 136 before yesterday.
          Yeah, could be. Bookies too sharp with any potentials now aren't that, just checked his price.

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          • #20
            Come on Kevloaf I'm eagerly waiting for you to tear my argument to shreds

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Dandrew99 View Post
              Come on Kevloaf I'm eagerly waiting for you to tear my argument to shreds
              Haha, sorry, not read any diary since I read them all and commented on them all in that one night!

              Will do it now, bear with me....

              Yogi.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Speedy17 View Post
                Cool Survivor? Good 4th in the Nathaniel Lacy. Connections have targeted this many times, owner & trainer. Had a rating of 136 before yesterday.
                I thought it was too good a run personally. I’d be surprised if he didn’t get 140+ for that. Then add the tax … The way he ran (really went for it) and given connections, made me think he’ll go AB and FDC will be aimed here.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Dandrew99 View Post

                  You mean you don't read my diary? I'm hurt From 20th Jan...

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                  Fell in the Banbridge race when clearly going the best (IMO). Entered on Tuesday which is the race that Gordon used for The Bosses Oscar on the way to the Martin Pipe. Since then obviously Good Land has franked the form massively (although in bumpers, pinch of salt but still good)
                  Entered in the race but didn't run in the CoF / DDP is clutching.




                  However...... needs another run, and entered at Thurles on 9th.... up aganst Spanish Harlem / Music Drive / Eye Van.



                  Definitely makes the shortlist mate.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                    Entered in the race but didn't run in the CoF / DDP is clutching.

                    However...... needs another run, and entered at Thurles on 9th.... up aganst Spanish Harlem / Music Drive / Eye Van.

                    Definitely makes the shortlist mate.
                    Well it wasn't clutching when I wrote it... obviously it doesn't mean a lot now... at best it shows he had the Martin Pipe in mind but I think I pretty much knew that anyway.

                    Wasn't serious about the diary thing by the way... I think you know that, but just checking

                    You're basically the king of tearing apart other peoples arguments so I'll take that all day long... might retire from FJ on a high now before it all comes crashing down
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Dandrew99 View Post

                      Well it wasn't clutching when I wrote it... obviously it doesn't mean a lot now... at best it shows he had the Martin Pipe in mind but I think I pretty much knew that anyway.

                      Wasn't serious about the diary thing by the way... I think you know that, but just checking

                      You're basically the king of tearing apart other peoples arguments so I'll take that all day long... might retire from FJ on a high now before it all comes crashing down



                      Once upon a time I was king of actually making cases for horses.... what a fall from grace. I'm basically Gordon Ramsey. I hate him.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post




                        Once upon a time I was king of actually making cases for horses.... what a fall from grace. I'm basically Gordon Ramsey. I hate him.


                        Gordon Ramsey with less swearing?

                        As long as you don't do a podcast wearing a bloody crown (but please do another podcast... the others are bloody boring)

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Dandrew99 View Post



                          Gordon Ramsey with less swearing?

                          As long as you don't do a podcast wearing a bloody crown (but please do another podcast... the others are bloody boring)
                          Fuck off





                          Yeah, might do..... .the wonderful Bayoffreedom will be on....
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