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2023 Ballymore Novices Hurdle

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  • Originally posted by darlojim View Post

    Won't be able to claim.
    Didn't know that, thanks

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    • Originally posted by Silverbirch View Post
      Are any IEP backers worried about the trip? Hermes and Good Land will turn this into a marathon. I'm not entirely sure he's going to stay. See Vega a couple of weeks ago.

      Fascinating race and I can see them going very early in this. I'd have said that if Mr Vega didn't exist IEP would be running in the supreme. In fact here's a question.

      If Facile Vega and Impaire Et Passe both lined up in the Supreme, who wins? It would be a sprint finish.
      Would it be a sprint finish? or would it be a very well run 2m at a solid pace.

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      • Originally posted by Silverbirch View Post
        Are any IEP backers worried about the trip? Hermes and Good Land will turn this into a marathon. I'm not entirely sure he's going to stay. See Vega a couple of weeks ago.
        It is a small question mark but the way he went away over 1m4f in a flat race and the way he sauntered clear over 2m3f at Naas I just can't see it being an issue.

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        • Champ Kiely at 14s on the exchange has been the stand out for me for quite some time. Easily forgive him in the Royal Bond, ran too keen but still managed to finish a decent 4th with 3 good horses around him, decent winner of the Lawlors and with a great jockey booked, you'd really question why he isn't closer in the betting to the other Willie Horses. With IEP there isn't much substance to what he's done, yes Model Kingdom isn't a bad horse but I'd argue CK finishing with Ashroe in a more truly run race looks stronger. Feels like you'd be largely betting him on potential at this stage, and I'd be worried that in a real race he might get found out. Not saying he can't turn out to be best of these once put in a better race, but he seems to be priced like he already is, if you're on at bigger prices fair game but at 3/1 not so much. I'd probably entertain Gaelic Warrior at Punchestown but not round Cheltenham, he seems pretty short for what he's done coupled with the issues around his jumping when under pressure.

          In saying that long term I find IEP the most interesting and could see him being a leading player next season over fences, he floats over his obstacles with no effort, great to watch.
          Long bitcoin, long gold, long silver, long g/s opening day Cheltenham Festival

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          • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

            It is a small question mark but the way he went away over 1m4f in a flat race and the way he sauntered clear over 2m3f at Naas I just can't see it being an issue.
            FYI I think IEP would win the supreme.

            I think the other horses in the ballymore will make it very difficult for IEP to win it, in some ways Gaelic in the Sharjah role could be a very interesting watch in behind. I think Good Land will gets ahead and stay there personally.

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            • Originally posted by Silverbirch View Post

              FYI I think IEP would win the supreme.

              I think the other horses in the ballymore will make it very difficult for IEP to win it, in some ways Gaelic in the Sharjah role could be a very interesting watch in behind. I think Good Land will gets ahead and stay there personally.
              FWIW I have Good Land covered and he's not a bad result for me, so I'd take it, however, I've made my opinion of the winner of the race as my biggest winner, and that falls on IEP.

              Do you think his 2m form of the Moscow Flyer is good enough for a Supreme? I don't. I, like Willie, feel he'll be seen to best effect over further.

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              • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                FWIW I have Good Land covered and he's not a bad result for me, so I'd take it, however, I've made my opinion of the winner of the race as my biggest winner, and that falls on IEP.

                Do you think his 2m form of the Moscow Flyer is good enough for a Supreme? I don't. I, like Willie, feel he'll be seen to best effect over further.
                Is it good enough to win this supreme? Possibly, depends how much you rate FV and IET. I think he'd beat them personally strange view I know

                It's wide open for all the faves for sure, I'm just not sipping the IEP wins on the snaff fruit punch.

                A lot will depend on the tactics during.

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                • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                  FWIW I have Good Land covered and he's not a bad result for me, so I'd take it, however, I've made my opinion of the winner of the race as my biggest winner, and that falls on IEP.

                  Do you think his 2m form of the Moscow Flyer is good enough for a Supreme? I don't. I, like Willie, feel he'll be seen to best effect over further.
                  Is his 2m4 form good enough for a Ballymore winner?

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                  • Originally posted by jack1092 View Post

                    Is his 2m4 form good enough for a Ballymore winner?
                    He's gonna need to improve a good bit I'd say

                    The horses he beat at the DRF wouldn't have a hope of even placing in this

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                    • Originally posted by jack1092 View Post

                      Is his 2m4 form good enough for a Ballymore winner?
                      Which one mate? Good Land or IEP?

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                      • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                        Which one mate? Good Land or IEP?
                        Was meaning IEP.....neither his 2m or 2m4 form is "good enough" for either race right now- it's the potential and vibes?

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                        • Originally posted by jack1092 View Post

                          Was meaning IEP.....neither his 2m or 2m4 form is "good enough" for either race right now- it's the potential and vibes?
                          It's very much the eye test not the form book with him

                          Much like luccia in the mares and Constitution hill last year (I'm not saying he could be as good as the hill before I get 70 replies)

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                          • Authorised Speed declared at Sandown on Tuesday. Makes his participation here unlikely?

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                            • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post

                              It's very much the eye test not the form book with him

                              Much like luccia in the mares and Constitution hill last year (I'm not saying he could be as good as the hill before I get 70 replies)
                              What's your thoughts on him against say, Champ Kiely?

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                              • Originally posted by Exar Essay View Post
                                Authorised Speed declared at Sandown on Tuesday. Makes his participation here unlikely?
                                Gary Moore absolutely putting me away

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