2023 Ballymore Novices Hurdle

[Black Dog]

Yes mate, member for 3 years with nearly 1.5k posts absolutely screams it

Told you who Patrick himself said was planned to ride and his concern for GW from his own mouth yesterday- very outlandish!

Anyway 20 comments later why it’s not worth the bother of posting much here anymore.

I've only been on here for about 18 months, and have always taken your posts at face value, and found them very helpful. Keep it up!!

[Rooster Booster]

Yes mate, member for 3 years with nearly 1.5k posts absolutely screams it

Told you who Patrick himself said was planned to ride and his concern for GW from his own mouth yesterday- very outlandish!

Anyway 20 comments later why it’s not worth the bother of posting much here anymore.

Fwiw I take the opposite view. If anything I was encouraging you to post more and earlier if that is an option for you.

Please don’t be sensitive to peoples questions and anxiety as we have experienced a number of situations recently that has got us all on guard. It is nothing personal.

The folks on here invest endless hours trying to maximise success and return on their investment and we are just days away from knowing our fate, so this brings about natural tensions and emotions. For example GW is one of my biggest winners of the week. Your information which I intuitively trusted stopped me sleeping as I now feel he has very little chance unless rain comes and PM somehow gets a great tune out of him which I am not hopeful about.

Any more valuable insights even if they are hard to hear like these have been would be gratefully received by me. Others may well feel differently and that’s absolutely fine but I’d prefer my wish to hear what you have to say to not be taken away.

[Quevega]

Yes mate, member for 3 years with nearly 1.5k posts absolutely screams it

Told you who Patrick himself said was planned to ride and his concern for GW from his own mouth yesterday- very outlandish!

Anyway 20 comments later why it’s not worth the bother of posting much here anymore.

We've had a few clowns messing about on here recently, and others that have posted stuff that cannot be substantiated, and then they've scurried off and not been heard of since, that you may not have been privy too.

As Kevin and others have said previously. It's quite important when providing valuable info to provide a little bit of context as not everyone will know/trust the poster, or remember the connections they have instantly.

That's why I asked you straight away. You responding, but ignoring the question I asked about your connection, would have looked suspect to any members that don't know you.

I understand it may not be a natural thing to state your source or connection every time you post (you shouldn't have too), but the 20 comments would have been avoided had you answered my question. I think you'll understand some other members paranoia. I asked the question as it was in the back of my mind, and wanted to avoid what followed.

Good luck with the horse.
Apologies for forgetting your connection.
And I can't get the song out of my head again.

And Patrick waffling away and mentioning the ground is no surprise at all.

[Quevega]

I think we need to all chill out a bit.

Few bad eggs don’t make everyone one! I recall someone accusing Atlantic Viking of being a rogue, which I’m positives he’s not with his contribution over the last year or so.

I think he'd love being called a rogue

[HesTheOne]

As far as I'm concerned they should absolutely have to verify/justify where that information came from. This doesn't need to be public, nor does it need to be difficult. If someone makes a claim they should be able to drop a mod a WhatsApp proving how they know what they know, and thats that. If someone can't do this then the information is likely rubbish and if they're super sensitive and/or tricky then they probably shouldn't be posting the information on an Internet forum anyway.

That sounds ridiculous.. mod police who are screening information before something is considering valid. Who would really bother their arse.

Let people post freely it’s a Internet forum not a old man’s club. Everything comes at face value. People are surely old enough here to make their own assessment. it took me all of 2 seconds to check the username posts on here to see he was legit.

If people are acting irrationally based off information they view here then sorry it has to be solely self responsible, all adults.

Laziness from others not to check and pull out their pitchforks and tinfoil

[Quevega]

That sounds ridiculous.. mod police who are screening information before something is considering valid. Who would really bother their arse.

Let people post freely it’s a Internet forum not a old man’s club. Everything comes at face value. People are surely old enough here to make their own assessment. it took me all of 2 seconds to check the username posts on here to see he was legit.

If people are acting irrationally based off information they view here then sorry it has to be solely self responsible, all adults.

Laziness from others not to check and pull out their pitchforks and tinfoil

I agree with the overall message.

How did you take 2 seconds to check legitamacy ?
Others would be interested to know ?
Not all members know how to navigate the site as well as some.
I know how to click on a username and it goes to their home page but only displays recent posts, and any information they have typed about themselves. Most have nothing in this section.

[Exar Essay]

I think it’s simple. As Kevloaf said, you earn trust. And anyone who’s been here a year would know Run4Home has connections at Willie’s and delivers too information. Not hard to verify either, just look over his previous posts.

The difference between this case and our mates Moby and Cascade are vast. It’s surprising people can’t see it.

[Quevega]

I think it’s simple. As Kevloaf said, you earn trust. And anyone who’s been here a year would know Run4Home has connections at Willie’s and delivers too information. Not hard to verify either, just look over his previous posts.

The difference between this case and our mates Moby and Cascade are vast. It’s surprising people can’t see it.

Not everybody has though. And I'd forgot. I messaged Kev immediately and he couldn't recall off the top of his head either !
So no difference whatsoever.
for some reason (his choice) run for home ignored a perfectly polite question, and had he answered none of this would have been necessary.

That is the issue here, nothing else.

It's everyone's right to reply and ask (or not), then people can make their own decisions based on this.

If Kevloaf came on here and said something that sounded a little unusual, I'd ask him where he got it from. Not just think, It must be 100% true/fact.

If he suddenly came on here and said he was the son of god and asked me me to drink the Kool Aid I'd tell him to bollocks.
Might take a sip though

[ComplyOrDie]

Right, any further posts that are NOT Ballymore related will be deleted in this thread.

Please take the discussion to the 'General' thread if you wish for it to continue.

[Kevloaf]

At the prices now....

If I back
Impaire Et Passe e/w at 7/2
Good Land e/w at 5/1
Champ Kiely e/w at 8/1
Inthepocket e/w at 12/1

all 1 point each.....

How much will I be collecting after the Ballymore?


Place lay Hermes Allen - UK crap.
Place lay Gaelic Warrior - glorified handicapper



Just trying to look with 'fresh eyes' and I really don't know how I'd pick just one bet in this race.

[ComplyOrDie]

At the prices now....

If I back
Impaire Et Passe e/w at 7/2
Good Land e/w at 5/1
Champ Kiely e/w at 8/1
Inthepocket e/w at 12/1

all 1 point each.....

How much will I be collecting after the Ballymore?


Place lay Hermes Allen - UK crap.
Place lay Gaelic Warrior - glorified handicapper



Just trying to look with 'fresh eyes' and I really don't know how I'd pick just one bet in this race.

I cba to work out the exacts, but IEP wins, and any two of the other three to place. I think it's a possibility GW could place, but I have more concerns about the trip than the ground. I haven't seen one person mention trip concerns for him. He has zero form beyond 2m1f. Absolute no guarantee he gets the trip.

[Saxon Warrior]

Yes, and while nothing is certain, the view on the forum a couple of months back was that FV and IEP were Willie's top novice hurdlers this year. The markets beginning to come to that conclusion as well, although none of us would be that surprised if IET and GW/CK bettered them on the day. A reflection of Willie's strength in depth.

Agreed

No-one will know for sure, until they race against each other.

The betting probably reflects the pecking order and their perceived chances.

Then the race rolls, and either follows the script perfectly, or starts ad-libbing from the start, and no-one knows the ending til it ends.

Main thing, for antepost punters, is that all the best horses get to their races.
Lets hope that happens.

[Hurricane fly]

I know O'Connell has been talking up Marine National recently, but is Good Land not his better chance at a winner?

From a bare form perspective I'd suggest it's the best in the race? Clearly stays the trip, will have a claimer on his back aswell.

IEP hasn't seen the word good in the going in any of his races, GE has been winning races at 1/10 and as Kev said Hermes Allen is English

[darlojim]

I know O'Connell has been talking up Marine National recently, but is Good Land not his better chance at a winner?

From a bare form perspective I'd suggest it's the best in the race? Clearly stays the trip, will have a claimer on his back aswell.

IEP hasn't seen the word good in the going in any of his races, GE has been winning races at 1/10 and as Kev said Hermes Allen is English

Won't be able to claim.

[Silverbirch]

Are any IEP backers worried about the trip? Hermes and Good Land will turn this into a marathon. I'm not entirely sure he's going to stay. See Vega a couple of weeks ago.

Fascinating race and I can see them going very early in this. I'd have said that if Mr Vega didn't exist IEP would be running in the supreme. In fact here's a question.

If Facile Vega and Impaire Et Passe both lined up in the Supreme, who wins? It would be a sprint finish.