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2023 Ballymore Novices Hurdle

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  • IEP now 6.2 for the supreme and 6 Ballymore on the exchange.

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    • Originally posted by riccirich View Post
      IEP now 6.2 for the supreme and 6 Ballymore on the exchange.
      Think you're confusing you're IET from your IEP

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      • IEP still 10 on Betfair exchange for supreme

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        • Mother of god..... yes still 10, apologies.

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          • Originally posted by Winging The Last View Post

            He will go the Ballymore based on Willies comments and actions.

            In the RP he stated:

            Impaire Et Passe
            Supreme Novices' Hurdle 4-1 / Ballymore Novices' Hurdle 3-1

            He has the option of the Ballymore or the Supreme. He's shown us he has no problem staying and we might let Hunters Yarn go one way and Impaire Et Passe go another. He's looked a bit special.​


            So going the other race that Hunters Yarn doesn't go.

            And since that comment in the RP Hunters Yarn has been scratched from the Ballymore and is only in the Supreme. (unless HY doesn't go to the fest)
            I've listened to this about 5 times now and still not 100% sure it's what he said, but I think in his Irish Racing stable tour that it's Dark Raven (not Hunters Yarn) will go one way and Impaire Et Passe goes the other. Would definitely make more sense to me.

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            • Racing TV interview makes pretty clear that Ballymore is fav for IEP and Dark Raven could go either race. 3:30 in.

              Watch what the Festival's most successful trainer has to say to Donn McClean about his powerful team for this yearThis is the official YouTube channel of Rac...

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              • Originally posted by Dandrew99 View Post

                I've listened to this about 5 times now and still not 100% sure it's what he said, but I think in his Irish Racing stable tour that it's Dark Raven (not Hunters Yarn) will go one way and Impaire Et Passe goes the other. Would definitely make more sense to me.

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                At about 1:39 this is 100% what he says. DR one way and IEP the other, having just mentioned stepping IEP up.

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                • Originally posted by jrjr View Post

                  At about 1:39 this is 100% what he says. DR one way and IEP the other, having just mentioned stepping IEP up.
                  Hunters Yarn????

                  Hoping he's County Hurdle.

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                  • Originally posted by jrjr View Post

                    At about 1:39 this is 100% what he says. DR one way and IEP the other, having just mentioned stepping IEP up.
                    Yeah that's the one. I swear the sound on that stable tour was recorded using a toaster, was awful.

                    Still think it's Dark Raven and Hunters Yarn who should be kept apart though. Jacobs two rides sorted, Townend rides IEP wherever he goes (probably Ballymore).

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                    • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

                      Hunters Yarn????

                      Hoping he's County Hurdle.
                      Likely to get high 140s

                      Be hard to see him winning a cheltenham handicap off that mark

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                      • Given Willie Mullins has said Ho My Lord is one you could have a few pounds each way on in the Ballymore, in his column today...

                        He surely goes off shorter than that doesn't he?

                        Clearly won't be first string, but 33/1 (35/1 boosted) available with Ladbrokes and Unibet.

                        Might end up being a bit of a faff having to lay off I suppose, but I think that's worth a go.

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                        • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post
                          Given Willie Mullins has said Ho My Lord is one you could have a few pounds each way on in the Ballymore, in his column today...

                          He surely goes off shorter than that doesn't he?

                          Clearly won't be first string, but 33/1 (35/1 boosted) available with Ladbrokes and Unibet.

                          Might end up being a bit of a faff having to lay off I suppose, but I think that's worth a go.
                          Hes no chance of beating any of the top 5 or 6 in the betting imo, would need to improve stones. Given the money for him I thought his last run was seriously underwhelming, did drift a bit before the off mind you

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                          • Originally posted by Studfarm254 View Post

                            Hes no chance of beating any of the top 5 or 6 in the betting imo, would need to improve stones. Given the money for him I thought his last run was seriously underwhelming, did drift a bit before the off mind you
                            I know Willie does run a few 'also-rans' from time to time but I'd be surprised all the same if a JP/Willie horse went off bigger than 33/1 in a graded race.

                            He was only 50/1 NRNB before the race and given he's been name checked afterwards, I think it's worth taking a look at.


                            "No chance of beating any of the top 5 or 6 in the betting" isn't how these races tend to work either. They don't all run to form, and some horses are run with picking up the pieces in mind. Up in trip could bring out some improvement too.


                            Not like anyone can look at the top of the Ballymore market and be scared of any of them? Looks like a Willoughby Court kinda race

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                            • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                              I know Willie does run a few 'also-rans' from time to time but I'd be surprised all the same if a JP/Willie horse went off bigger than 33/1 in a graded race.

                              He was only 50/1 NRNB before the race and given he's been name checked afterwards, I think it's worth taking a look at.


                              "No chance of beating any of the top 5 or 6 in the betting" isn't how these races tend to work either. They don't all run to form, and some horses are run with picking up the pieces in mind. Up in trip could bring out some improvement too.


                              Not like anyone can look at the top of the Ballymore market and be scared of any of them? Looks like a Willoughby Court kinda race
                              Well we’ll have to agree to disagree, I think the ballymore looks a cracker. I actually think it’s better than the supreme. I know they won’t all run to form, but still give him little to no chance of making the frame. If you could get 5 places then maybe could be worth a few

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                              • Originally posted by Studfarm254 View Post

                                Well we’ll have to agree to disagree, I think the ballymore looks a cracker. I actually think it’s better than the supreme. I know they won’t all run to form, but still give him little to no chance of making the frame. If you could get 5 places then maybe could be worth a few
                                Yeah that's fine, personally think it 'being better than the Supreme' doesn't mean it's a cracker in terms of quality.

                                No superstars in it like some years (pre hindsight), so it looks competitive (which is great)

                                For me, it looks an open race.... so nothing wrong with looking at bigger prices this far out.... and you don't know how it may cut up.

                                No point me staying up telling everyone what fancy prices I have already is there either, all about looking for horses that could shorten and highlight them.... which I think Ho My Lord is ....



                                But, I've also just backed Attacca at 40/1 nrnbog and he does have no chance

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