2023 Arkle Novices Chase

[Zachx02]

1-0 jonbon though aint it?

Over hurdles, if they didn't face over hurdles and you only had the chase form to go on el fabiolo would be 8/11 on

[archie]

1-0 jonbon though aint it?

Think I'm with Kev in the relevance of that particular stat.

[archie]

I find it hard to have an actual Favourite Bruce Springsteen Song , Archie ..
But Hungry Heart is definitely near the Top of the list , From the River Album .
The River was the song that got me into " The Boss " .
1981 .... where has the time gone ??..

This is from the 5th June concert whereas I went on the 2nd. Enjoy.

[Carnage at Taunton]

Because, in my opinion, El Fabiolo has the bigger engine. The only danger to him is a serious (more serious than we have seen from him as yet) jumping error. You clearly don't agree which is entirely your prerogative.

Ok, nothing I don’t know that you do then, that’s fine.
Im not really sure what I think other that from what I’ve seen I prefer Jonbon’s jumping.
I am not at all bullish though on the result for either of the two, certainly not as much as some seem to be.
If both jump well it’s a close call imo.

[Carnage at Taunton]

Think I'm with Kev in the relevance of that particular stat.

Yep, that I do agree with.
End of season hurdles form for the following Arkle, no thanks.

[That Horse]

Because, in my opinion, El Fabiolo has the bigger engine.

So he's Tougher Than The Rest?

[Folski]

Anyone worried about lack of exp for El Fabiolo? Average runs for Arkle winners for last 8 years in 12.5. 2 had 9 runs and 2 18 runs. Just the 7 for El Fabiolo coming here compared to 10 for Jonbon who also has course placed form.

[Quevega]

Anyone worried about lack of exp for El Fabiolo? Average runs for Arkle winners for last 8 years in 12.5. 2 had 9 runs and 2 18 runs. Just the 7 for El Fabiolo coming here compared to 10 for Jonbon who also has course placed form.

I'd personally say no.

Nice Guy winning the Bartlett after 2 NHF races and a maiden hurdle.
& Noble Yeats a 7 year old novice winning the National on his 12th start under rules.

Are 2 examples of it not mattering and probably being a good thing.

Gerri Colombe has only had 7 starts under rules also, as it happens.

[Kevloaf]

Anyone worried about lack of exp for El Fabiolo? Average runs for Arkle winners for last 8 years in 12.5. 2 had 9 runs and 2 18 runs. Just the 7 for El Fabiolo coming here compared to 10 for Jonbon who also has course placed form.

Hasn't crossed my mind to be honest.

The Irish Arkle looked a tougher race than Jonbon has run in.... so in terms of relevant chase experience, I'd give El Fab an edge

[Carnage at Taunton]

Anyone worried about lack of exp for El Fabiolo? Average runs for Arkle winners for last 8 years in 12.5. 2 had 9 runs and 2 18 runs. Just the 7 for El Fabiolo coming here compared to 10 for Jonbon who also has course placed form.

Nope, no excuses for either horse imo, both shou kg d be cherry ripe on the day with enough experience behind them
so…… may the best horse win

[Carnage at Taunton]

Anyone worried about lack of exp for El Fabiolo? Average runs for Arkle winners for last 8 years in 12.5. 2 had 9 runs and 2 18 runs. Just the 7 for El Fabiolo coming here compared to 10 for Jonbon who also has course placed form.

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[Lobos]

Daryl Jacob interview in Irish Field he mentions several horses that could give him his next Festival winner. El Fabiolo and James Du Berlais both mentioned but not IEP.

[Spectre]

I think if Danny Mullins rides better fractions than he did at the DRF, both Jonbon and El Fabiolo might have difficulty making up ground to Dysart Dynamo.

He'll be allowed the lead, and he just needs to be steadier over the first half mile, and then to wind it up from there.

The Old Course at Cheltenham, is much easier to get home over than Leopardstaown, and I can see him putting the jumping of the other two being under pressure and perhaps not actually getting to him, making the above debate all about which between Jonbon and El Fab finishes second and third.

[ComplyOrDie]

I think if Danny Mullins rides better fractions than he did at the DRF, both Jonbon and El Fabiolo might have difficulty making up ground to Dysart Dynamo.

He'll be allowed the lead, and he just needs to be steadier over the first half mile, and then to wind it up from there.

The Old Course at Cheltenham, is much easier to get home over than Leopardstaown, and I can see him putting the jumping of the other two being under pressure and perhaps not actually getting to him, making the above debate all about which between Jonbon and El Fab finishes second and third.

Agree with all of this, although I do have a serious bias towards DD, as I just love him anyway

Them early fractions will be key for me too

[Jrow]

Daryl Jacob interview in Irish Field he mentions several horses that could give him his next Festival winner. El Fabiolo and James Du Berlais both mentioned but not IEP.

You would assume PT would be onboard IEP thats why. However, has he let the cat out of the bag that hes riding EL Fab at cheltenham