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2023 Supreme Novices Hurdle

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  • Originally posted by Lobos View Post

    There you go. Thanks. Just a question whether he's fully recovered then.
    Well 2 issues but only 1 which would have impacted.
    Had a week off but thats usual for most horses post race anyway they'll have a few days off/easy week, so losing no time there - he's good to go again!

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    • Willie Mullins on Facile Vega & Il Etait Temps:

      FACILE VEGA

      I think we just got the tactics wrong at the Dublin Racing Festival. He and High Definition just locked horns passing the winning post on the first circuit and went a mile-and-a-quarter speed going down by the reservoir and the first hurdle down the back and he just took too much out of himself.

      Paul pulled him up when things weren’t going well down the home straight. I’m happy just with a chance of tactics in the Sky Bet Supreme. Look at the championship bumper last year, Patrick dropped him in, got caught behind a lot of horses, and he just motored through them despite all the mud and kickback.

      I couldn’t see any problem with dropping in again – I think he has the ability and class for the race and has every chance. He’s been very good after Leopardstown, we’ve been happy with him, and he’s going to take his chance. I haven’t looked at going up in trip with him yet.


      IL ETAIT TEMPS

      Has every chance going to Cheltenham having won a Grade One the last day albeit when Facile Vega didn’t really act. But his form all season and last year showed us he was a Grade One horse. It looks like he’ll end up in the Sky Bet Supreme at this stage and Danny is looking forward to riding him. He’s learning to race and jump properly. If he can put it all together at Cheltenham he’ll be there or threreabouts.



      Now, the way Willie has worded it just seems to me he would expect FV to beat IET, but maybe I'm just interpreting it the way I want it

      Obviously note he thinks he's a Grade One horse still though. Hopefully Paul rides FV like Patrick did at the festival last season!

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      • Doctor Bravo running here according to Elliott's ATR tour: https://cheltenham.attheraces.com/st...gordon-elliott

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        • Now, the way Willie has worded it just seems to me he would expect FV to beat IET, but maybe I'm just interpreting it the way I want it

          Exactly how I read it too CoD. Its not often you see Willie as animated as he was after the DRF and it shows just how highly he rates FV. There is no doubt in my mind Willie is going to be surprised and disappointed if FV is beaten by any of his.

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          • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post
            Willie Mullins on Facile Vega & Il Etait Temps:

            FACILE VEGA

            I think we just got the tactics wrong at the Dublin Racing Festival. He and High Definition just locked horns passing the winning post on the first circuit and went a mile-and-a-quarter speed going down by the reservoir and the first hurdle down the back and he just took too much out of himself.

            Paul pulled him up when things weren’t going well down the home straight. I’m happy just with a chance of tactics in the Sky Bet Supreme. Look at the championship bumper last year, Patrick dropped him in, got caught behind a lot of horses, and he just motored through them despite all the mud and kickback.

            I couldn’t see any problem with dropping in again – I think he has the ability and class for the race and has every chance. He’s been very good after Leopardstown, we’ve been happy with him, and he’s going to take his chance. I haven’t looked at going up in trip with him yet.


            IL ETAIT TEMPS

            Has every chance going to Cheltenham having won a Grade One the last day albeit when Facile Vega didn’t really act. But his form all season and last year showed us he was a Grade One horse. It looks like he’ll end up in the Sky Bet Supreme at this stage and Danny is looking forward to riding him. He’s learning to race and jump properly. If he can put it all together at Cheltenham he’ll be there or threreabouts.


            Now, the way Willie has worded it just seems to me he would expect FV to beat IET, but maybe I'm just interpreting it the way I want it

            Obviously note he thinks he's a Grade One horse still though. Hopefully Paul rides FV like Patrick did at the festival last season!
            Blaming the tactics LTO feels like an excuse we can absolutely take on. I have 3 blaming tactics red flags:

            1. HD came to FV and they set a decent pace, but there were no warning signals from PT or FV. FV actually jumped better with HD upside and his head carriage and the way he was travelling didn't look like he was expending too much unwanted energy.

            2. HD has come down at the 4th with nearly a mile left to race. It's not like the two of them ever went 10-15l clear of the field - Paul had time to get a breather into FV and if FV were good enough he would have kicked on and won the race.

            3. We know supremes are almost always run at a frenetic pace and HD will go off and make it a real test. They will drop FV in and tell you FV will fly home using his turn of foot, but if this were true he would have extended away from IET over Xmas IMO, rather than just holding him. He set the fractions that day and held IET, but he didn't go away extending which is what I expect from a horse his price. Everyone knew at the time it was a good performance without being great.

            I'd 100% have IET over FV. IET never let the two leaders get more than 5-6l ahead of him at the DRF and he's quickened away like a really smart horse, and did so having raced keenly early on, so its a performance I'm happy marking up.

            IET > FV

            I'll probably place lay FV to be honest

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            • Originally posted by charlie View Post

              I'll probably place lay FV to be honest
              Very sound strategy is place laying novice favs.
              If they're highly thought of, and to be fav in a festival G1/G2 you surely must be, connections won't be wanting their pilot kicking and urging their horse to battle on for third, if the front two have gone they would much prefer the horse is looked after and comes back for another day.
              Plenty have been given easy rides from 2 out over the years.

              Not suggesting any of these are place lays but when they go this short the place lay will be in the region of about 1.25, so like backing a 4/1 shot.

              Horses like Luccia 7/4
              GDM 11/8
              Mighty Potter 11/8
              El Fabiolo 6/4
              Lossiemouth 6/4

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              • Originally posted by Istabraq View Post

                Very sound strategy is place laying novice favs.
                If they're highly thought of, and to be fav in a festival G1/G2 you surely must be, connections won't be wanting their pilot kicking and urging their horse to battle on for third, if the front two have gone they would much prefer the horse is looked after and comes back for another day.
                Plenty have been given easy rides from 2 out over the years.

                Not suggesting any of these are place lays but when they go this short the place lay will be in the region of about 1.25, so like backing a 4/1 shot.

                Horses like Luccia 7/4
                GDM 11/8
                Mighty Potter 11/8
                El Fabiolo 6/4
                Lossiemouth 6/4
                Since 2008 Festival...

                94 favourites in the Graded Novices, 32 won (34%), 54 placed (58%). Average winning SP of these favourites 6/4(ish)
                15 favorites in the Triumph, 4 won (26%), 7 placed (46%). Average winning SP of these favourites 5/2(ish)

                The numbers definitely back up your comments

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                • What do we make of this...

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                  • What about the bloke who reckons IET has had a setback and might miss the festival ...anybody know who he is ...John Carver Tips???

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                    • Originally posted by CJW View Post
                      That Impaire Et Passe won't run in the Supreme?

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                      • Originally posted by Rooster Booster View Post
                        What about the bloke who reckons IET has had a setback and might miss the festival ...anybody know who he is ...John Carver Tips???
                        Had about 40 twitter followers?

                        Odd person to be in the know?

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                        • Originally posted by Rooster Booster View Post
                          What about the bloke who reckons IET has had a setback and might miss the festival ...anybody know who he is ...John Carver Tips???
                          Biggest bullshitter on Twitter. Also claimed Allaho was fine, Scarlet and Dove was to be supplemented and that West Cork not getting an entry in the County was a clerical error. Do not listen to him.

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                          • Originally posted by Kevloaf View Post

                            That Impaire Et Passe won't run in the Supreme?
                            In the video he thinks one will run, facile vega.

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                            • Originally posted by CJW View Post

                              In the video he thinks one will run, facile vega.
                              Willie loves him that much he'll try anything to get him to win it.

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                              • Originally posted by CJW View Post

                                In the video he thinks one will run, facile vega.
                                IET to the County, Kieran Callaghan on, imagine haha!

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