2023 Supreme Novices Hurdle

[charlie]

I think 9/2 about Il Etait Temps (IET) is still very fair. The post race DRF script was all about FV disappointing, not about IET excelling. Understandable, given FV's reputation and it was a complete flop, but I think thats meant IET has gone under the radar. Using RPR's as a guide he's run to 134, 145 and now 158. 158 is really quite high and if you lift FV out the race he's beaten both Inthepocket and Dark Raven by 9 lengths - both of those went into the race unbeaten, so the form has real shape to it. I don't think we can take a form line through Irish Point literally because he looked like he was never put into the race, but I don't think Marine Nationale should be shorter than IET, no way in fact. IET feels like a rapidly improving 5 year old thats doing what a lot of these Mullins French recruits do and thats improve. We know IET handles Cheltenham which is a tick in the box that you can't put next to most his rivals and I think all things considered, the price is fair given the level he's run to and the fact he's trained by Willie. I'm not convinced we'll necessarily see FV in March and even if we did, connections of other horses will know that letting FV dictate a steadier pace from the front and quicken is handing him the race, so horses like HD will go and go hard, and we know that will suit IET. His achilles heel is his jumping and he can be messy, I think thats fair and its the only thing putting me off going in on him more than I already have!

[riccirich]

I think 9/2 about Il Etait Temps (IET) is still very fair. The post race DRF script was all about FV disappointing, not about IET excelling. Understandable, given FV's reputation and it was a complete flop, but I think thats meant IET has gone under the radar. Using RPR's as a guide he's run to 134, 145 and now 158. 158 is really quite high and if you lift FV out the race he's beaten both Inthepocket and Dark Raven by 9 lengths - both of those went into the race unbeaten, so the form has real shape to it. I don't think we can take a form line through Irish Point literally because he looked like he was never put into the race, but I don't think Marine Nationale should be shorter than IET, no way in fact. IET feels like a rapidly improving 5 year old thats doing what a lot of these Mullins French recruits do and thats improve. We know IET handles Cheltenham which is a tick in the box that you can't put next to most his rivals and I think all things considered, the price is fair given the level he's run to and the fact he's trained by Willie. I'm not convinced we'll necessarily see FV in March and even if we did, connections of other horses will know that letting FV dictate a steadier pace from the front and quicken is handing him the race, so horses like HD will go and go hard, and we know that will suit IET. His achilles heel is his jumping and he can be messy, I think thats fair and its the only thing putting me off going in on him more than I already have!

Ssshhhh, just keep building up facile Vega. The way the tide is going we might get 8/1 il Etait temps on the day .

[AaronLad]

I think 9/2 about Il Etait Temps (IET) is still very fair. The post race DRF script was all about FV disappointing, not about IET excelling. Understandable, given FV's reputation and it was a complete flop, but I think thats meant IET has gone under the radar. Using RPR's as a guide he's run to 134, 145 and now 158. 158 is really quite high and if you lift FV out the race he's beaten both Inthepocket and Dark Raven by 9 lengths - both of those went into the race unbeaten, so the form has real shape to it. I don't think we can take a form line through Irish Point literally because he looked like he was never put into the race, but I don't think Marine Nationale should be shorter than IET, no way in fact. IET feels like a rapidly improving 5 year old thats doing what a lot of these Mullins French recruits do and thats improve. We know IET handles Cheltenham which is a tick in the box that you can't put next to most his rivals and I think all things considered, the price is fair given the level he's run to and the fact he's trained by Willie. I'm not convinced we'll necessarily see FV in March and even if we did, connections of other horses will know that letting FV dictate a steadier pace from the front and quicken is handing him the race, so horses like HD will go and go hard, and we know that will suit IET. His achilles heel is his jumping and he can be messy, I think thats fair and its the only thing putting me off going in on him more than I already have!

yeah i think all of this has already been said so can we move on please

[FinalFurlong91]

I'm pretty sure Willie put up il etait temps as one of his horses to follow for the season alongside el fabiolo in his RP stable tour

So he was expecting big things

[Benjy23]

Not sure you've got FV right there tbh. He's not a horse I'd have particularly suited to a slow gallop, although I'm aware his first two hurdles races look it. And judging by his bumper runs he's not a horse that needs to lead either. I wouldn't be surprised if Mullins was so annoyed by Townend because he wasn't even meant to go from the front the last day. Dropped in and a good gallop I'd expect to play into his hands.

No idea what my play will be on the day here though, I'm certainly not ruling out IET. He's probably my most likely one to cover. Just hoping we get a few decent offers and with it being the first race of the week usually do.

[On The Fringe]

As per NH ATR stable tour, and no surprise, Jet Powered likely to bypass Cheltenham and maybe go Aintree and that'll be him done for the season

[charlie]

I'm pretty sure Willie put up il etait temps as one of his horses to follow for the season alongside el fabiolo in his RP stable tour

So he was expecting big things

I didn't know that, thanks FF91

[charlie]

Ssshhhh, just keep building up facile Vega. The way the tide is going we might get 8/1 il Etait temps on the day .

Haha! 8/1 would be tasty!

[Exar Essay]

I think 9/2 about Il Etait Temps (IET) is still very fair. The post race DRF script was all about FV disappointing, not about IET excelling. Understandable, given FV's reputation and it was a complete flop, but I think thats meant IET has gone under the radar. Using RPR's as a guide he's run to 134, 145 and now 158. 158 is really quite high and if you lift FV out the race he's beaten both Inthepocket and Dark Raven by 9 lengths - both of those went into the race unbeaten, so the form has real shape to it. I don't think we can take a form line through Irish Point literally because he looked like he was never put into the race, but I don't think Marine Nationale should be shorter than IET, no way in fact. IET feels like a rapidly improving 5 year old thats doing what a lot of these Mullins French recruits do and thats improve. We know IET handles Cheltenham which is a tick in the box that you can't put next to most his rivals and I think all things considered, the price is fair given the level he's run to and the fact he's trained by Willie. I'm not convinced we'll necessarily see FV in March and even if we did, connections of other horses will know that letting FV dictate a steadier pace from the front and quicken is handing him the race, so horses like HD will go and go hard, and we know that will suit IET. His achilles heel is his jumping and he can be messy, I think thats fair and its the only thing putting me off going in on him more than I already have!

IET is my bet of the week at 9/2 NRNB BOG. If it's a strongly run race, I think he hoses up. It sort of negates how keen he can be. If they idle round the first mile, he'll waste so much energy whilst others are conserving. If they are going a pace, they are all using energy. I really hope there is something in the race that wants to make it; hopefully JOB sends High Definition (and Danny sits on his inside).

[Outlaw]

I like IET as much as the next man after the last day but bar FV not showing up he can’t go shorter can he ? PT will be on FV so deemed first string, every Mullins preview will be banging the FV drum expect to see the real FV nto etc. First race of the festival having to run on by 60,000+ nutters “roaring” it’s never not run at a clip is it, wouldn’t have any worries about a lack of pace.

[charlie]

IET is my bet of the week at 9/2 NRNB BOG. If it's a strongly run race, I think he hoses up. It sort of negates how keen he can be. If they idle round the first mile, he'll waste so much energy whilst others are conserving. If they are going a pace, they are all using energy. I really hope there is something in the race that wants to make it; hopefully JOB sends High Definition (and Danny sits on his inside).

Excellent!

[Lobos]

Vega was going to be my biggest bet of the week as I hadn't had a penny on him as a single. Not now though after his last run. I may still back him on the day but it'll be small stakes as my confidence in him has been severely dented.

[Hurricane fly]

every Mullins preview will be banging the FV drum expect to see the real FV nto etc.

Not sure I fully agree with this, I can see IET and Diverge being put up alot

[YoungHustler]

Bizarrely, and this took me totally by surprise, I happened to log into my Sky account a week or so back to watch a race stream and for the hell of it I threw some horses into a betslip to see what the max stake was, the pitiful restrictions they applied two years ago appear to have been reviewed up.
Singles are still impossible but they were allowing me half decent stakes on multiples, when trying to place a patent the limit is low but I was able to add trixie, treble and doubles for (again) restricted stakes but it meant the total amount I could get on wasn't terrible.
I was pleasantly surprised....

Thanks for this. I've long run out of trusted friends and family to open new accounts so will check on all the restricted accounts I have with them.

[Outlaw]

Not sure I fully agree with this, I can see IET and Diverge being put up alot

More so than Vega? I don’t, and I say that as someone who is happy to take him on.