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2023 Mares Chase

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  • Originally posted by charlie View Post
    Bookies cutting ADV and pushing Impervious after that
    You have to laugh don't ya,don't get me wrong ADV is a mare with stacks of ability but if she jumps like that at Cheltenham it'll cost her a few lengths all told,also she won't want to drag her backend through any fences either,whereas on the other hand Impervious while a little big in her races early on she tends to settle into a good rhythm and races in a very relaxed manner, it'll be an interesting race between them.

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    • Willie doing his best impression of Arsene Wenger

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      • There’s a listed 2m race at Naas next month that could suit. I’d definitely like to see her go left handed before the festival!

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        • That was a fair bit ropey.

          Where were you Grandad when the life-changer on ADV came in? Behind the sofa, holding my breath, and watching through my fingers...

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          • Where is Elimay. I thought word was she was out 'soon'? No word of a setback from what I've seen anywhere.

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            • Originally posted by SeanRock View Post
              There’s a listed 2m race at Naas next month that could suit. I’d definitely like to see her go left handed before the festival!
              Agree with that!

              Was strange today considering how good she was on debut!

              What did Willie say post race anyone?

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              • Originally posted by Irish Rugby View Post
                Where is Elimay. I thought word was she was out 'soon'? No word of a setback from what I've seen anywhere.
                Will she run? JP got impervious now.

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                • ….Mullins on ADV;

                  ’Maybe it (mistake) was my fault really, I told Paul to let her go from the start and she was too exuberant at the first. I don’t think Paul will be listening to me again.’

                  He reckons jumping to the right was a ‘one-off’ and blamed the fact they hadn’t had her jumping this week because of frozen ground.

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                  • I know timings arent everything but I've done a side by side comparison between her race and Fakirs

                    From the winning line and a full circuit to run, Fakir won by around 3 1/2L carrying 9lb more than Allegorie albeit he was fully driven out and ADV came home in a canter, pretty fucking promising if you ask me against an open g1 chaser

                    That jumping left would be a worry with the Mares Chase in mind and I would have loved for her to have had some competition pre fez, I hope it doesn't cost her as I'm absolutely certain she has more class than Impervious.

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                    • Originally posted by darlojim View Post
                      I know timings arent everything but I've done a side by side comparison between her race and Fakirs

                      From the winning line and a full circuit to run, Fakir won by around 3 1/2L carrying 9lb more than Allegorie albeit he was fully driven out and ADV came home in a canter, pretty fucking promising if you ask me against an open g1 chaser

                      That jumping left would be a worry with the Mares Chase in mind and I would have loved for her to have had some competition pre fez, I hope it doesn't cost her as I'm absolutely certain she has more class than Impervious.
                      I'll add some context as just finished doing it all.
                      She's reached at a few and gone to the right at a few more but you can't knock her engine, easy 150+ mare judged on the below.

                      First circuit ADV 9 lengths quicker which was a surprise on visuals tbh. Line to line 2nd circuit Fakir race 6.5L quicker but most of that was running to the first fence. She's been quicker from 3/2/1 out and given she's made her own running, and not really been racing she's come out far better than anticipated. I actually read twitter comments before watching the race and given the reaching at a few, right hand veers I could half understand those moaning she's been clipped but that was a very good effort. The most exciting mare chasing since Bennie for me !
                      Last edited by Outlaw; 22 January 2023, 05:03 PM.

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                      • Straight there for ADV. Willie and Paul suitably impressed despite the first fence circus act.

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                        • She's a big gangly giraffe of a mare
                          Seriously talented but still raw

                          Ability wise I think she's well clear of the other mares in this, it's just a question of whether she's streetwise enough after only 2 chase starts

                          Interesting Willie saying they hadn't bothered doing any schooling with her in the build up to the race

                          I imagine that won't be the case before cheltenham

                          She's beaten malinas girl twice as far as last time and beaten the 2nd much further than journey with me did despite carrying a penalty.

                          I think she could turn into a mare capable of running in open company grade 1s over fences

                          ​​​​​​​The king george would suit her imo

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                          • As hard as you try to find one to beat her you can't. The race looks proper crap. It doesn't add to the Festival at all. Much rather have the Mares taking on the boys.

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                            • Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View Post
                              She's a big gangly giraffe of a mare
                              Seriously talented but still raw

                              Ability wise I think she's well clear of the other mares in this, it's just a question of whether she's streetwise enough after only 2 chase starts

                              Interesting Willie saying they hadn't bothered doing any schooling with her in the build up to the race

                              I imagine that won't be the case before cheltenham

                              She's beaten malinas girl twice as far as last time and beaten the 2nd much further than journey with me did despite carrying a penalty.

                              I think she could turn into a mare capable of running in open company grade 1s over fences

                              ​​​​​​​The king george would suit her imo
                              If her jumping improves I think she’s a future gold cup contender. Unfortunately with Mullins the company in the stable is fierce enough though.

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                              • Originally posted by Outlaw View Post

                                I'll add some context as just finished doing it all.
                                She's reached at a few and gone to the right at a few more but you can't knock her engine, easy 150+ mare judged on the below.

                                First circuit ADV 9 lengths quicker which was a surprise on visuals tbh. Line to line 2nd circuit Fakir race 6.5L quicker but most of that was running to the first fence. She's been quicker from 3/2/1 out and given she's made her own running, and not really been racing she's come out far better than anticipated. I actually read twitter comments before watching the race and given the reaching at a few, right hand veers I could half understand those moaning she's been clipped but that was a very good effort. The most exciting mare chasing since Bennie for me !
                                She's jumped not as well as her debut and a little to the right and would still have beat Fakir D'Oudaries imo. As good as Impervious is, I don't think she or any other mare will be able to keep up the gallop that ADV will set and maintain. I'm sure Willie will also improve her jumping so she looks like a banker to me and not even under Even money!

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