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Yes, if she goes, it will be the Bartlett, according to my information. Of course she will have to run and win at Punchestown next Monday. -
Had my first look into this
Magical Zoe's first run out in bumpers, I mean, thats some cheek that was the way she just pathed her path around them all. Impressed how she's won her races.
The search continues though... want something thats a little toughComment
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Definitely has the class for it grade 1 winning on the flat over 2 milesOriginally posted by Lobos View PostComment
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A little more expletive than I would on here but I have been mentioning to BarrowNH01 and a few others that Ashroe Diamond was being nicely hidden away behind decent sorts like Facile Vega this season and I think she's going to be the main dart for Willie in this.Originally posted by Lobos View PostComment
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She has that ‘bleeding obvious’ look about her, could easily be the one that we all look back at and say how did we miss her ?Originally posted by Lobos View Post
Is 5/1 value ?
No, but a win next week and/or a poor Luccia update and that 5/1 becomes 9/4.
I’m tempted…Comment
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The question is what has he gained bar experience running her like he has with ridden cold instructions? 132 rated the hcap option is there if bring cynical but everyone knows she’s a 140+ type when allowed to go for it.Comment
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I don’t quite get it to be honest, someone can pipe in on what I say below.
What is the point in ‘hiding’ her in Grade 1’s with no attempt to win, then go and win a race where you’ll get a penalty in the intended race anyway, makes absolutely no sense to me whatever!
Why not just run on merit in mares races where you’re not going to have any more a penalty whether you win 1, 2 or 3 races (provided it’s not a Grade 1). Wins under the belt, happy owners etc.
Something doesn’t add up for me.Comment
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If the bit about hiding her away is aimed at me it's because I don't think she will run in the Solerina and incur the penalty. DRF behind Vega again and then onto the Mares Novices penalty free.Originally posted by Craigy14 View PostComment
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Well said, doesn’t quite stack with me either unless a hcap has been the plan all along? Why not just show true ability, he knows what it takes to win this etc.Originally posted by Craigy14 View PostComment
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She wasn't hidden away in the Royal bond
She travelled into it beautifully and looked the winner before finding very little for pressure
That would worry me for the Cheltenham hillComment
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Well it’s a shit or bust strategy that’s for sure....maybe she’s just an average size fish in a very big pond...I think everybody assumes there is a complex plan for every horse in the yard....I’m not sure this is the case...perhaps unless you are in the top 50(sounds crazy just saying it) you kind of get the b or c strategies or no strategy at all...I’d say Willie is the best trainer, I’m far from convinced he’s the best strategist...he is the most flexible and versatile but definitely not the most planful.Originally posted by Craigy14 View Post
There may be a grand scheme plan with her and she may bolt up in this race, the biggest I can remember her being is 10s and she’s been second favourite for a long time I think so she’s hardly gone under the radar. I’d be very surprised if many on here didn’t put her in their portfolio when she was double figures. Many others have put their hat in the ring since then and i don’t entirely understand folks getting excited about her at half the odds if they weren’t excited at double figures before others had even emerged.Comment
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I don't see it like that, she was coming from the rear in both races this season and stayed on without being near the level needed for the novice hurdle races. Hidden away makes it sound like a handicap plot but I do think she has been running against superior opposition to avoid any penalties - it gets her race fit too and if it gives her a better chance of winning then avoiding the penalty will only help her. I think she will enjoy the hill (stayed on nicely in the Royal Bond) too. Regardless of the logistics of her race planning previously I think 5s is still good value in a race not giving much away.Originally posted by FinalFurlong91 View PostComment
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Has Willie ever trained the MNH winner and his best Novice Mare for Cheltenham in the same way he's running Ashroe Diamond?
She was definitely his best Autumn Mare, and got her going early with the Royal Bond the early target
He's done this for years, with Mares.
Statuaire last season won the Royal Bond.
SWIW would have too, but for her injury when winning her prep race for it.
One day one of these early Mares will last all the way to March for him.
Could be this year, I suppose.
But I've never seen any of the previous ones as a plot, just taking the races as they come."Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".Comment
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The 1/2/3 in the Royal bond were all held up thoughOriginally posted by Lbur4288 View Post
So she was in the ideal position
And I wouldn't say she stayed on nicely in the Royal bond, she found little after travelling better than Irish point and as well as marine nationale
Does she have the profile of willies usual winners in this race? Il have a look
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