2023 Mares Novice Hurdle

[doctorwu]

Indeed she does. G1/2/3/Listed winners all receive a 5lb penalty.

Penalties, a winner of a Class 2 weight-for-age or Class 1 handicap hurdle race…3lb

Of a Class 1 weight-for-age hurdle race…5lb

Thanks for that RTC. I always thought they targeted that race as its was a grade3 so no penalty. I stand corrected.

[RoadToCheltenham]

Thanks for that RTC. I always thought they targeted that race as its was a grade3 so no penalty. I stand corrected.

Before ADV got injured last year, there was the big discussion on how Brandy Love would easily reverse form in the MNH going left handed and getting 5lbs from ADV.

Tend to agree with the general view on this race so far. Don't think there's much doubt that Ashroe Diamond sets the form standard but is it so strong that you think it's hers to lose? Of course not. I'd like to see Luccia sooner rather than later to be honest...

[Lobos]

Princess Zoe...

"We're aiming her at the Mares' Novices' Hurdle but I put her in the Albert Bartlett as well as she has endless stamina. We are keeping our options open."

[robith]

If your forced me into a summary

[Eggs]

Princess Zoe...

"We're aiming her at the Mares' Novices' Hurdle but I put her in the Albert Bartlett as well as she has endless stamina. We are keeping our options open."

….22-1 win today & MNH with Hills.

[Hurricane fly]

She is pretty weak in the market this morning going from odds on to 6/5 region.

However I have dabbled Win Today any race and MNH.

Confident I will end up 5 or 6 in this which is always seems to be the case with this race. Foxy girls form is building up, but that makes Liberty Dances form stronger which makes Magical Zoe's win more impressive.

A tangled web for sure

[FinalFurlong91]

Shed be too slow surely for 2m1f

And was regressive on the flat

[AaronLad]

Shed be too slow surely for 2m1f

And was regressive on the flat

Why would she be too slow?
she won a g3 over 2miles last April then ran in 5 g1's

look at echoes in rain. Not at her level on the flat but wins over 2 miles over hurdles.

If she takes to hurdles she could end up in next seasons champion hurdle

[Birds Nest]

Shed be too slow surely for 2m1f

And was regressive on the flat

Its just an opinion and not an exact science, but generally for me i would think 2ms on the flat would indicate midtrip to 3ms over hurdles. A 10f flat horse would have enough stamina for 2ms over hurdles. So i agree with you on your points. Princess zoe has the stamina for any hurdle race but she would need to have 10f speed too in order to win at the minimium at chelts.

[riccirich]

Why would she be too slow?
she won a g3 over 2miles last April then ran in 5 g1's

look at echoes in rain. Not at her level on the flat but wins over 2 miles over hurdles.

If she takes to hurdles she could end up in next seasons champion hurdle

I might be wrong, but don’t flat horses usually need further over jumps than they do on the flat?

since they tend to slow down approaching obstacles, whereas in flat races they just run flat out, I think that leads to them wanting slightly further over jumps, the likes of penhill ran over about 1m 5f on the flat I think but needed 3m over hurdles, I don’t know if that’s the case for them all though.

youd probably be relying on her jumping being perfect to stick to 2m id say, which would be risky with her lack of experience, if it’s a bit sticky then I’d say it could be Bartlett since they’re sure she’d stay.

[FinalFurlong91]

Why would she be too slow?
she won a g3 over 2miles last April then ran in 5 g1's

look at echoes in rain. Not at her level on the flat but wins over 2 miles over hurdles.

If she takes to hurdles she could end up in next seasons champion hurdle

Princess zoe doesn't have a turn of foot like echoes in rain

Her best flat runs are 2m4f on bottomless ground

Generally those horse need a trip over hurdles unless they have a turn of pace. Which princess zoe hasn't shown.

[Hardy Eustace]

Dead heat!

[Eggs]

….Princess Zoe 33-1 PP.

[Winging The Last]

Dead heat for Princess Zoe on debut. Ploughed through the last completely knocking it over. A few sketchy jumps going around too.

Dead heat against an improver in Ladybank who was beaten along way on her debut

[Exar Essay]

I have no idea what to make of that. Was ridden like she was a good thing, then clattered the last and found little. One you'd think of including in a book, but I think this years crop are very good.

Out of interest, anyone know how that affects the Win Today bets?