2023 Triumph Hurdle (Juveniles)

[AaronLad]

I can see gala marceaux improving past her

Improved a huge amount from first to second run

And she will love a strong pace

I'm not sure how much she improved FF, the other ricci horse was the only other in both races, and gala marceau only beat that one a couple lengths more.
I know going off an also ran probably doesn't give a totally accurate indication but it would have me doubting she improved a huge amount

[Istabraq]

I'm not sure how much she improved FF, the other ricci horse was the only other in both races, and gala marceau only beat that one a couple lengths more.
I know going off an also ran probably doesn't give a totally accurate indication but it would have me doubting she improved a huge amount

It could come down to who copes/handles quicker ground the better, both are used to running in hock deep French ground but Cheltenham Friday can come up fairly quick…

[FinalFurlong91]

I'm not sure how much she improved FF, the other ricci horse was the only other in both races, and gala marceau only beat that one a couple lengths more.
I know going off an also ran probably doesn't give a totally accurate indication but it would have me doubting she improved a huge amount

Lossiemouth gave her 3lb and beat her 7 lengths first start

imo she'd have got plenty closer than that without Lossiemouth getting interfered

you can't rate a race around a horse that's beaten 85 lengths

[AaronLad]

Lossiemouth gave her 3lb and beat her 7 lengths first start

imo she'd have got plenty closer than that without Lossiemouth getting interfered

you can't rate a race around a horse that's beaten 85 lengths

As i said the ricci horse was an also ran. nothing accurate
but one mistake i did make in my first post was gala marceau actually beat it less the 2nd time. which would give me further doubt she actually had improved.
lossiemouth was inconvenienced very badly in the 2nd race, you're happy to assume gala marceau would have been closer to her even though there's 1 horse who was in both races and got beat less the 2nd race.
you can't be certain of your assumption, whereas at least with jourdefete it happened and i can be certain gala marceau beat him less the 2nd time, whether it's accurate or not we'll find out in the triumph.

[FinalFurlong91]

As i said the ricci horse was an also ran. nothing accurate
but one mistake i did make in my first post was gala marceau actually beat it less the 2nd time. which would give me further doubt she actually had improved.
lossiemouth was inconvenienced very badly in the 2nd race, you're happy to assume gala marceau would have been closer to her even though there's 1 horse who was in both races and got beat less the 2nd race.
you can't be certain of your assumption, whereas at least with jourdefete it happened and i can be certain gala marceau beat him less the 2nd time, whether it's accurate or not we'll find out in the triumph.

As i said the ricci horse was an also ran. nothing accurate
but one mistake i did make in my first post was gala marceau actually beat it less the 2nd time. which would give me further doubt she actually had improved.
lossiemouth was inconvenienced very badly in the 2nd race, you're happy to assume gala marceau would have been closer to her even though there's 1 horse who was in both races and got beat less the 2nd race.
you can't be certain of your assumption, whereas at least with jourdefete it happened and i can be certain gala marceau beat him less the 2nd time, whether it's accurate or not we'll find out in the triumph.

Game of opinions I guess

I'd never rate a horses performance around the distance it beat some no hoper myself

I think gala would've got a lot closer than 10 lengths this time (7 plus the weight)

[AaronLad]

Game of opinions I guess

I'd never rate a horses performance around the distance it beat some no hoper myself

I think gala would've got a lot closer than 10 lengths this time (7 plus the weight)

i'm really not rating it around a no hoper, i'm merely using jourdefete as the only other horse in both races other than lossiemouth, who potentially lost between 10-15 lengths when losing position, losing momentum, probably a bit shook by the incident, and then using up extra energy to get back in to a position she could challenge. I struggle to see your reasons for thinking gala marceau showed "huge improvement".
Genuine question, what are they?

[Lobos]

I can see gala marceaux improving past her

Improved a huge amount from first to second run

And she will love a strong pace

Entirely possible. Everyone was saying how unlucky Lossiemouth was but GM pulled for her head the whole way but still had plenty left. If she learns to settle she will find another few lengths for sure.

[FinalFurlong91]

i'm really not rating it around a no hoper, i'm merely using jourdefete as the only other horse in both races other than lossiemouth, who potentially lost between 10-15 lengths when losing position, losing momentum, probably a bit shook by the incident, and then using up extra energy to get back in to a position she could challenge. I struggle to see your reasons for thinking gala marceau showed "huge improvement".
Genuine question, what are they?

Lossiemouth didn't lose 10-15 lengths not even remotely close

she jumped the hurdle poorly before the incident then get shuffled back by the interference from jordefette 2 or 3 lengths

in my opinion Lossiemouth may have won without the interference after her poor jump but it wouldn't have been by far

[Kevloaf]

i'm really not rating it around a no hoper, i'm merely using jourdefete as the only other horse in both races other than lossiemouth, who potentially lost between 10-15 lengths when losing position, losing momentum, probably a bit shook by the incident, and then using up extra energy to get back in to a position she could challenge. I struggle to see your reasons for thinking gala marceau showed "huge improvement".
Genuine question, what are they?

Using a horse "who potentially lost between 10-15 lengths when losing position, losing momentum, probably a bit shook by the incident, and then using up extra energy to get back in to a position she could challenge." isn't worth doing though is it?

Not to make any valid point for or against either way?

[AaronLad]

Using a horse "who potentially lost between 10-15 lengths when losing position, losing momentum, probably a bit shook by the incident, and then using up extra energy to get back in to a position she could challenge." isn't worth doing though is it?

Not to make any valid point for or against either way?

I just don't see how anyone can take away from the race that gala marceau showed huge improvement from her first run for willie.
I thought it was a very similar run, pulling for her head for half the race. she won because of what happened to lossiemouth not because she had improved, imo.
I'm not suggesting gala marceau won't win the triumph, but she'll need to settle better and show "huge improvement" from her first 2 runs, where lossiemouth has clearly been the better horse. Which is possible if she settles, but lossiemouth hasn't exactly settled beautifully in her races either so could be more to come from her to.
Anyway they'll both be seeing the backend of scriptwriter in the triumph

[HesTheOne]

I just don't see how anyone can take away from the race that gala marceau showed huge improvement from her first run for willie.
I thought it was a very similar run, pulling for her head for half the race. she won because of what happened to lossiemouth not because she had improved, imo.
I'm not suggesting gala marceau won't win the triumph, but she'll need to settle better and show "huge improvement" from her first 2 runs, where lossiemouth has clearly been the better horse. Which is possible if she settles, but lossiemouth hasn't exactly settled beautifully in her races either so could be more to come from her to.
Anyway they'll both be seeing the backend of scriptwriter in the triumph

Good to see your still banging to Scriptwriter drum Aaron, I commend your commitment the unknown leaps of progression these juveniles can take in a short space of time is a factor for all as it can be exponential, including your beloved.

Am thinking that Blood Destiny skipping that DRF battle could play into his hands, in terms of natural growth conditioning and strength for a gelding. Where as Willies mares would have needed a damn good recovery period before then building forward again.

From a punting pov I’m happy to see any of willies 3 triumph in the race but if I was to lean on one right now I am thinking BD.

[ComplyOrDie]

Am thinking that Blood Destiny skipping that DRF battle could play into his hands, in terms of natural growth conditioning and strength for a gelding. Where as Willies mares would have needed a damn good recovery period before then building forward again.

From a punting pov I’m happy to see any of willies 3 triumph in the race but if I was to lean on one right now I am thinking BD.

I'm really keen on Blood Destiny myself. I think he is the one for Willie and I'm glad Lossiemouth is holding the market up still.

[darlojim]

Anyone heard much on Media Naranja? Runs today for Gordon/Bective in the first at Gowran and holds an entry here, obviously it could be a case of if she wins today then lovely, and if not then she will retain her novice status for next year but she seemed to win nicely at Craon on soft ground in December before being sold.

[Eggs]

…BV & Fred still 33-1 Bo Zenith, others into 16-1 NRNB.

Edit; now 16-1 BV, 20-1 Fred.

[Madmoose]

…BV & Fred still 33-1 Bo Zenith, others into 16-1 NRNB.

Can it go the Fred now with that being its third hurdle run, the one vs Blood Destiny is France was last April i think?