2023 Novice Chasers

[AaronLad]

Not arguing with what he’s done on the track but the betting in the last while fully suggested he was being aimed at the Flogas. That in turn would fully suggest he was being stepped up in trip.

I don’t really care where he ends up that’s not the point I’m trying to make. Re-read what I’ve wrote or interpret as I’ve intended as nothing to do with my bets but just how they have treated the market. I can guarantee they have potentially fooled many a person into backing him for the Flogas and potential turners on the back of the moves. Edit - provided he does end up running in the Irish Arkle as the betting suggests again with the switch in prices.

And before you point out about the Tuners bet I’ve got, that was done months and months ago.

I'm not saying it has anything to do with any bets you've placed.
You've completely missed my point clearly.
Because in your first sentence you again blame the bookmakers for suggesting appreciate it might step up in trip.

My point was if you are going to come on a forum moaning about bookmakers misleading you, then don't take any bloody notice of the markets and use your own bloody opinion.

betting suggests this, betting suggests that.

[Rooster Booster]

I'm not saying it has anything to do with any bets you've placed.
You've completely missed my point clearly.
Because in your first sentence you again blame the bookmakers for suggesting appreciate it might step up in trip.

My point was if you are going to come on a forum moaning about bookmakers misleading you, then don't take any bloody notice of the markets and use your own bloody opinion.

betting suggests this, betting suggests that.

Gentle feedback....I suspect it was the word decision that heavily suggested you were referring to bets...just a simple replacement word say opinion or view would have changed the nature of your post quite significantly .

[AaronLad]

Gentle feedback....I suspect it was the word decision that heavily suggested you were referring to bets...just a simple replacement word say opinion or view would have changed the nature of your post quite significantly .

ok thanks rooster.
I'd like to make it clear i wasn't digging Craigy14 was rather trying to encourgage him to stick to his guns rather than letting the market sway him, I'd say this to anyone.

I have re-worded my original post if it has made it any better i don't know, i'm pretty shit with words and blunt. sorry about that.

[Craigy14]

I'm not saying it has anything to do with any bets you've placed.
You've completely missed my point clearly.
Because in your first sentence you again blame the bookmakers for suggesting appreciate it might step up in trip.

My point was if you are going to come on a forum moaning about bookmakers misleading you, then don't take any bloody notice of the markets and use your own bloody opinion.

betting suggests this, betting suggests that.

Would you not agree it is misleading punters? That’s where I’m going with the point I am trying to make.

He goes from 7 or 8/1 into fav for the Flogas (a step up in trip) and drifts for the 2m race (Irish Arkle) which he has raced over most of his career as we know

That move to me, unless I don’t have a clue what goes on with bookies, suggested someone knew something for such a significant move. Either that or they were sucking in punters knowing full well no decision was made etc.

Yes we form our own opinions but the markets do affect some of decision making no matter how you put it.

[Rooster Booster]

ok thanks rooster.
I'd like to make it clear i wasn't digging Craigy14 was rather trying to encourgage him to stick to his guns rather than letting the market sway him, I'd say this to anyone.

I have re-worded my original post if it has made it any better i don't know, i'm pretty shit with words and blunt. sorry about that.

Fwiw I agree with the sentiment of your post, I nearly backed AI on the back of PP antics (if that’s what they were) and I’ve been doing this for decades. I didn’t in the end coz I don’t trust them and not because of any strong view about AI ...using your own judgement and not liking pp antics are not mutually exclusive and so I think the two of you are actually in heated agreement

[AaronLad]

Would you not agree it is misleading punters? That’s where I’m going with the point I am trying to make.

He goes from 7 or 8/1 into fav for the Flogas (a step up in trip) and drifts for the 2m race (Irish Arkle) which he has raced over most of his career as we know

That move to me, unless I don’t have a clue what goes on with bookies, suggested someone knew something for such a significant move. Either that or they were sucking in punters knowing full well no decision was made etc.

Yes we form our own opinions but the markets do affect some of decision making no matter how you put it.

Rooster Booster has summed it up perfectly in his post just now.
It's the antics of paddy power.
From paying out early on jonbon to the scenario with the drf markets.
Personally and now i know a lot of people like to think they're in the know, but really? I highly doubt it.

[Quevega]

Would you not agree it is misleading punters? That’s where I’m going with the point I am trying to make.

He goes from 7 or 8/1 into fav for the Flogas (a step up in trip) and drifts for the 2m race (Irish Arkle) which he has raced over most of his career as we know

That move to me, unless I don’t have a clue what goes on with bookies, suggested someone knew something for such a significant move. Either that or they were sucking in punters knowing full well no decision was made etc.

Yes we form our own opinions but the markets do affect some of decision making no matter how you put it.

Think they opened at 14-1 Flogas - looked like a rick.

I think PP often fanny about with the odds, and it's difficult to know how much money is involved, or if it's simply traders making decisions on information, or as you suggest, sucking money in.
In any one example it could be any of these or a combination.

You'd like to think they aren't using inside information to then draw in punters money. But I really don't know what the rules are with this, and how anyone would regulate it. so I imagine it does happen.

Obviously in the share dealer world there are rules and regulations, but this is different.

[Craigy14]

Rooster Booster has summed it up perfectly in his post just now.
It's the antics of paddy power.
From paying out early on jonbon to the scenario with the drf markets.
Personally and now i know a lot of people like to think they're in the know, but really? I highly doubt it.

Possibly not in the know but that’s the point i’m making though, it’s very misleading to do, especially if they have no reason or word to do so.

Like I said I haven’t been sucked in, it was more a general point of what had happened and I know a lot of people would have been sucked in.

Anyway we’re clogging this thread up now, we’ll leave it there

[Quevega]

Rooster Booster has summed it up perfectly in his post just now.
It's the antics of paddy power.
From paying out early on jonbon to the scenario with the drf markets.
Personally and now i know a lot of people like to think they're in the know, but really? I highly doubt it.

The term "In the know" has significant variance obviously.
In most of these cases they might have an idea and a small amount of stable information, but they can't always know for definite, as so many things are fluid and can change.
I think this is why it's a difficult one to police.

[AaronLad]

The term "In the know" has significant variance obviously.
In most of these cases they might have an idea and a small amount of stable information, but they can't always know for definite, as so many things are fluid and can change.
I think this is why it's a difficult one to police.

I think it's a perfect double bluff on this occasion
pay out on minimal bets taken on jonbon early season
everyone then backs jonbon with them - thinking they might pay out again
make appreciate it look like for all the world he's stepping up
when really they know......

i'll pack my things

[Cashew King]

Mouse Morris on GENTLEMANSGAME:

"His next run will be at Leopardstown or the Ten Up at Navan. It would be hard to go to Cheltenham after just two runs but you never know.

"We'll see where we go after his next run but an Irish National or something like that might suit."

[Captain Chris]

Mouse Morris on GENTLEMANSGAME:

"His next run will be at Leopardstown or the Ten Up at Navan. It would be hard to go to Cheltenham after just two runs but you never know.

"We'll see where we go after his next run but an Irish National or something like that might suit."

Come on Mouse, grow a pair! A load of chasers are going to be going to the festival after 2 runs this year

[Muswell]

Chemical Energy and Ramilles declared for the weekend

[ComplyOrDie]

Chemical Energy and Ramilles declared for the weekend

What are you doing Gordon

[Quevega]

What are you doing Gordon

I'm sure he did this last year with RWF, and pulled him out on the day.