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2023 Novice Chasers

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  • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

    Yeah the Gist was that if the ground is typical spring ground then the NH chase would be most likely. As in they think he's all stamina. Which we all kinds knew.
    However, he needs to qualify first obviously.
    The man he knew was kept vague.
    Wouldnt be sure theyd run him on typical spring ground either, let alone 10F further than hes been running over
    "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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    • Originally posted by Saxon Warrior View Post

      Wouldnt be sure theyd run him on typical spring ground either, let alone 10F further than hes been running over
      Don't get me wrong - He was saying he's an unlikely runner at cheltenham, as they want soft ground, so the only way he could see him at cheltenham on normal ground was in the NH chase.
      Not sure him not having run over the trip yet, really matters at this point. they've got to qualify over 3 miles anyway' like loads of others.
      I'm certainly not backing him for it either.
      If this random fella is very close to the owners though, you'd expect him to run in one of the remaining graded qualifiers, like the ten up.

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      • I can’t see that chemical energy, Minella crooner, Gerri and possibly frontal assault all run in nh chase and nothing in BANC
        there will be proper ground at Cheltenham and I don’t see why he doesn’t run his best stayer in the BANC
        I also recall him saying that he’d run Gerri on spring ground later in season. Who knows?

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        • Appreciate it banc anyone?

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          • Who knows? If I’d let my cocker spaniel pick my antepost pokes, I would’ve done better.

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            • That did go through my head, looks like appreciate it could be comfortable at the distance on good spring ground.
              The other play that could look more likely is the GDM brown / Ramillies NH double , on top of that city chief for Henderson is by same owners and I’m sure they are aiming this at the staying chases on spring ground. So could have GDM in the brown and then 2 in the NH, not sure Patrick would be as pleased with ramillies though
              Last edited by Inglis Drever; 9 January 2023, 08:09 PM.

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              • Originally posted by Guinness Village View Post
                I can’t see that chemical energy, Minella crooner, Gerri and possibly frontal assault all run in nh chase and nothing in BANC
                there will be proper ground at Cheltenham and I don’t see why he doesn’t run his best stayer in the BANC
                I also recall him saying that he’d run Gerri on spring ground later in season. Who knows?
                I'd like to see Hollow Games given a chance upped in trip over fences too.

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                • Originally posted by Guinness Village View Post
                  Who knows? If I’d let my cocker spaniel pick my antepost pokes, I would’ve done better.

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                  • Out of 4 possible for the Turner's I'm left with good old Kilcruit................you just never know. He might get a walkover at this rate

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                    • Originally posted by ComplyOrDie View Post

                      I agree with all this. I'm ignoring the NHC talk until he actually turns up for the race. He's plenty of boot, as you note he's won a G1 over 2m3f & a novice chase 2m5f that's not the sign of a boat, IMO.

                      He's literally been raced once over 3m too, excluding his p2p. I don't see why they'd suddenly go for a race over 3m6f for an unbeaten horse either.

                      I could understand Gordon playing him down as he's never had a winner of the BANC, and I imagine he feels he's got a great chance this season, without wanting to be too confident.
                      Exactly & he’s shown already he’s better than a Grand National type. I think Gordon was cautious with him over hurdles last season as we’ve seen Samcro, Envoi Allen & Bob fall by the wayside after promising novice hurdle campaigns, even though two of the former won novice chases (one by default), they have to be seeing him as a potential Gold Cup horse next year! If the going is semi suitable why go for the Grade 2 over the more prestigious/bigger pot of the Grade 1!

                      Edit: The bigger worry for me is Jack’s injury albeit Jordon will be familiar after the Limerick run. Jack is just mustard & it’s virtually impossible to fill his boots.
                      Last edited by SeanRock; 9 January 2023, 08:43 PM.

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                      • Originally posted by Quevega View Post

                        Don't get me wrong - He was saying he's an unlikely runner at cheltenham, as they want soft ground, so the only way he could see him at cheltenham on normal ground was in the NH chase.
                        Not sure him not having run over the trip yet, really matters at this point. they've got to qualify over 3 miles anyway' like loads of others.
                        I'm certainly not backing him for it either.
                        If this random fella is very close to the owners though, you'd expect him to run in one of the remaining graded qualifiers, like the ten up.
                        Sounds like a load of bollox, doesn't it, Q?

                        Doesn't like the ground, so would skip the 3M race, and go 6F further over 3 fences more.

                        Makes no sense

                        Never heard connections say that my horse may not like X-type of ground at that course, so if we get that, then I will run him there but over a longer trip.
                        "Journeys to Glory, breathing in his head".

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                        • About time we had a Soft ground fez. Maybe this year eh ? Hasn't stopped raining for a month since the dryest spell on record. Probably get abandoned

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                          • Originally posted by Lobos View Post
                            About time we had a Soft ground fez. Maybe this year eh ? Hasn't stopped raining for a month since the dryest spell on record. Probably get abandoned
                            4 of the last 5 BANC’s have been ran on Soft going!

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                            • Yeah, we're due a soft/heavy fez

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                              • not wishing for one, as that would seriously mess up the form lol

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