2023 Novice Chasers

[Quevega]

Haven't backed him and want him to lose at Cheltenham for a very silly and childish reason, so that afterwards, he can be called The Real Wanker

I'd like him to win for childish reasons. So I can form a five a side team on here called "the Real Wankers"

Only joking before anyone starts.
COD - can be captain

He's far too short now and so I can understand the reasons people would talk down his chances.
And I can even see a little bit in the points made.

But equally, I'd say "what are you worried about".
Stick to your guns, if he runs, let it run.

I thought they'd underestimated his performance when they left his price at 25's and 33's.
He's now too short.
But the comparison to the handicap is pertinent, especially the last circuit.
Thunder was entitled to close, a bit like Champ did in the RSA.
And his mark will definitely be of interest to me also. - Got a feeling he'll be left on 150 though. Which is a no from me in the Plate.

He could be this years Midnight Shadow if they drop him a couple (although he missed the festival, he made up for it that autumn) RIP

[Outlaw]

I'd like him to win for childish reasons. So I can form a five a side team on here called "the Real Wankers"

Only joking before anyone starts.
COD - can be captain

He's far too short now and so I can understand the reasons people would talk down his chances.
And I can even see a little bit in the points made.

But equally, I'd say "what are you worried about".
Stick to your guns, if he runs, let it run.

I thought they'd underestimated his performance when they left his price at 25's and 33's.
He's now too short.
But the comparison to the handicap is pertinent, especially the last circuit.
Thunder was entitled to close, a bit like Champ did in the RSA.
And his mark will definitely be of interest to me also. - Got a feeling he'll be left on 150 though. Which is a no from me in the Plate.

He could be this years Midnight Shadow if they drop him a couple (although he missed the festival, he made up for it that autumn) RIP

The voice of reason has spoken !

Touching on the Midnight Shadow comparison(RIP) This lad if he doesn't go close in whatever he runs in he'll be near top of the shortlist for the Nov Gc in and around 150 that's for sure.

[ComplyOrDie]

Crikey, was merely stating a few who have talked him up/analysed him. There not the be all and end all agreed, but he wouldn't of got half the coverage and price clips if nobody was doing that sort of stuff and looking at it purely on visuals. Swings and roundabouts.

It wasn't a dig a you.....unless you're Daryl, Andy or Simon

[Quevega]

It wasn't a dig a you.....unless you're Daryl, Andy or Simon

[ComplyOrDie]

I'd like him to win for childish reasons. So I can form a five a side team on here called "the Real Wankers"

Only joking before anyone starts.
COD - can be captain

Feel like I touched a nerve going after Daryl, Andy and Simon.

Maybe they are on here in disguise. Think I may have been close to weeding them out!

[Outlaw]

It wasn't a dig a you.....unless you're Daryl, Andy or Simon

I know.... slightly odd thing to say thou given it can reveal plenty and tbf it gets brought up on here more than it ever has this last year. Tried(and failed) to get a few "Racing people" on here to no avail all far too busy they tell me .

[ComplyOrDie]

I know.... slightly odd thing to say thou given it can reveal plenty and tbf it gets brought up on here more than it ever has this last year. Tried(and failed) to get a few "Racing people" on here to no avail all far too busy they tell me .

I don't discount times, not at all, but some pundits seem to only bang on about them, and them only. Like it's the only thing that matters. I'm just thinking do they have nothing else in their arsenal.

It's why I rate Gavin Lynch fairly highly, he'll go into breeding and ground conditions and other possibly smaller factors that could have an impact on a performance not solely keep referring to the clock.

[Outlaw]

I don't discount times, not at all, but some pundits seem to only bang on about them, and them only. Like it's the only thing that matters. I'm just thinking do they have nothing else in their arsenal.

It's why I rate Gavin Lynch fairly highly, he'll go into breeding and ground conditions and other possibly smaller factors that could have an impact on a performance not solely keep referring to the clock.

Fair response, Can't comment on Holding but the other two if you meet/interact with them at all you'll certainly get talking about all sorts and chat about some interesting things that get you thinking.

[Quevega]

Fair response, Can't comment on Holding but the other two if you meet/interact with them at all you'll certainly get talking about all sorts and chat about some interesting things that get you thinking.

Yeah holding is probably my least favourite.
Like Daryl a lot, and got a lot of time for Rowlands also.
Mainly cos I find myself disagreeing with Holding more than the others.
My least favourite tipster is Andrew Mount. Cos his obsession for looking for something that's not there is blinding him.

[ComplyOrDie]

Fair response, Can't comment on Holding but the other two if you meet/interact with them at all you'll certainly get talking about all sorts and chat about some interesting things that get you thinking.

Yeah fair points.

I'm sure they have plenty more about them than what I seem to always notice, and in fact I was watching Daryl/Jamie/Dave on Cheltmental earlier, and quite like their previews of the individual races.

Andy Holding is by far the worst for it though.

[Madmoose]

Holding and Rowlands looks down on people if they dare question times or have a different angle on a race.

So many times Holding said many horses about times and they were dire yet the odd one pops up he doesnt let it go

[Pendil]

Couldn't agree more charlie

It's obvious he's improved for a fence, but if anyone is backing him off the back of the Dipper form I think they are asking for trouble.

As you note, Thunder Rock was a strange ride and no doubt would have won, IMO, had he not been put so far back, and on that basis not one person would even be talking about The Real Whacker now had that happened.

The better bet would be Thunder Rock in a handicap (obviously NRNB).

Daryl/Simon/Andy can talk time figures all they like, that's all they ever do, but time figures are not the be all and end all of horse racing otherwise everyone would use them solely and be millionaires off the back of them.

The Real Whacker is joint RPR high on 160 with Thyme Hill and GDM. Initially assessed at 158 but raised to 160. Worth noting that he was giving 3lb to Monmiral and Thunder Rock. As somebody who went in at 25/1 and 33/1 for the Turners/BANC nrnb I am happy

[ComplyOrDie]

The Real Whacker is joint RPR high on 160 with Thyme Hill and GDM. Initially assessed at 158 but raised to 160. Worth noting that he was giving 3lb to Monmiral and Thunder Rock. As somebody who went in at 25/1 and 33/1 for the Turners/BANC nrnb I am happy

At them prices I suspect you are As I said, fair play to those on nice enough E/W odds, but my big issue with him is his current price and why he is that price.

FWIW I have him backed for the Turners at 33/1 NRNB, but left the BANC bet alone. I think he was only 16/1 by that point and too short, IMO.

I think it will be a stakes back job for the Turners bet, tbh.

[Kautostar]

At them prices I suspect you are As I said, fair play to those on nice enough E/W odds, but my big issue with him is his current price and why he is that price.

FWIW I have him backed for the Turners at 33/1 NRNB, but left the BANC bet alone. I think he was only 16/1 by that point and too short, IMO.

I think it will be a stakes back job for the Turners bet, tbh.

I’m of the same opinion and can’t believe his banc odds. I’m also surprised he’s been smashed up for the banc over the turners, he looked like he needed the finishing line in the dipper and I would back thunder rock to reverse the form over 3 miles. His front running style would suit the turners but the quality of that likely field would probably swallow him up too.

[Dilinja]

Matt Brockelbank from sporting life put up ballygriffincottage for the BANC. Sure I read someone on here putting him up for the race recently. Is running at Warwick on Saturday so might be worth getting onside if you fancy him before then.