2023 Novice Chasers

[Exar Essay]

Willie very much sitting on the fence. Says he needs to decide between RSA and NHC after the DRF.

[charlie]

The Turners market is so open. Of the top 10 quoted you can legitimately draw lines through 7 of them, without much doubt:

Sir Gerhard - probably out for the season
Allegorie De Vassy - mares chase almost certainly
State Man - champion hurdler
Dysart Dynamo - 2m or not at all
Gerri Colombe - BANC or NHC
Jonbon - Arkle
Thyme Hill - BANC

[charlie]

The BANC is looking like it's going to be a great punting race.

Yeh I think all 3 novice chases are superb betting heats. Your post on the BANC and mine on the Turners leave it wide open, and if you want a pop at Jonbon in the Arkle you're spoilt for choice. Perfect market for strong options and so much more interesting than having a 10/11 shot this side of the new year as we've had in the past

[Dandrew99]

Really is a massively open race... But I think if GDM were to run to 160 like he did last year, it would be enough to win it. Really struggling to see Mullins turning that down, unless something else appears between now and DRF. There are a few candidates for sure, but I'd have it odds on that GDM turns up in the BANC again.

[FinalFurlong91]

Willie very much sitting on the fence. Says he needs to decide between RSA and NHC after the DRF.

Let's be realistic he will decide 2 days before the race

[Craigy14]

Willie very much sitting on the fence. Says he needs to decide between RSA and NHC after the DRF.

I can completely see why, he could end up running 4/5 in that race at the DRF to see who goes where.

I’d be fairly confident we know his Arkle horse/horses, Dysart Dynamo along with El Fab or Appreciate It. The other 3 races are anyone’s guess!

Personally want Appreciate It stepped to the turners and hopeful James Du Berlais is declared and proves a top class chaser on NYD at Fairyhouse with the BANC in mind, not too much to ask haha! He is his only entry so I’m confident he’ll run given the amount of entries he has had.

WPM has somehow managed to split most of his novices to date. When it comes to DRF that’s where the pecking order for each race will be decided.

[darlojim]

Willie very much sitting on the fence. Says he needs to decide between RSA and NHC after the DRF.

Also says another 5f wouldnt harm him

Gary cheekily asks 'paddy doesn't have a better option for that race does he'

Gary must have a few quid on

[Lobos]

Willie very much sitting on the fence. Says he needs to decide between RSA and NHC after the DRF.

Always going to happen. Need something else to step forward in order for him to go NHC. Fingers crossed. Maybe Ramillies could be kept for the Irish National??

[Rooster Booster]

I was mainly referring to the other poster who was much more provocative than yourself, but I included you too as while I don’t have the examples at hand, I seem to remember a number of occasions in the past where you criticized some posters for not caring enough about horse welfare after they posted about certain horses falling or not running due to quick ground etc, when I didn’t feel those posters were being derogatory or warranted any criticism.

so while your post today was not that provocative at all, coupled with some posts that you’ve made in the past, it still had that look to me of “uhhh another I care more about welfare than you” debate about to start off. If that was not the intent then fair enough and I stand corrected.

Well you judged those posts wrong too and interesting that you chose to judge me on posts you can’t fully remember.... It has never been about me putting myself on a pedastool in the caring stakes..

What l I have done is give my opinion, and talked about my own struggles, between loving a sport that I feel can and does imo understate the painful reality that this sport can be brutal in terms of fatalities and injuries, both major and minor.

I won’t go into the subsequent exchanges as I suspect the way I worded my posts back then allowed the opportunity for being judged incorrectly and I am to blame for that absolutely and I am slowly realising that in order to avoid similar fate I have to put enormous effort into the precise wording of posts.

Unfortunately I suffer from hyper sensitivity which is a real thing believe it or not therefore it is much better for me to take more care over the wording of my posts than most as I have suffered a great deal when I have worded things clumsily in the past.

I am a hypocrite because my love for the sport is greater than any sympathy I have for the horses which is why I have carried on watching today. I struggle enormously with my hypocrisy ...others handle it much better than I do and i am envious. Next time if you want to judge me you have the option of clarifying my intent first. If you choose not to do that as is your right there is nothing I can do about that.

[Quevega]

Well you judged those posts wrong too and interesting that you chose to judge me on posts you can’t fully remember.... It has never been about me putting myself on a pedastool in the caring stakes..

What l I have done is give my opinion, and talked about my own struggles, between loving a sport that I feel can and does imo understate the painful reality that this sport can be brutal in terms of fatalities and injuries, both major and minor.

I won’t go into the subsequent exchanges as I suspect the way I worded my posts back then allowed the opportunity for being judged incorrectly and I am to blame for that absolutely and I am slowly realising that in order to avoid similar fate I have to put enormous effort into the precise wording of posts.

Unfortunately I suffer from hyper sensitivity which is a real thing believe it or not therefore it is much better for me to take more care over the wording of my posts than most as I have suffered a great deal when I have worded things clumsily in the past.

I am a hypocrite because my love for the sport is greater than any sympathy I have for the horses which is why I have carried on watching today. I struggle enormously with my hypocrisy ...others handle it much better than I do and i am envious. Next time if you want to judge me you have the option of clarifying my intent first. If you choose not to do that as is your right there is nothing I can do about that.

I'm not sure that hypocrisy is the label you should give yourself or others who think similarly.

It's realism, perspective and acceptance that we should draw upon.
And respect, of course.

Life's great for many of us - This sports great for a lot of us -
But as with most great pleasures in life, this can often bring pain also.

If the pain outweighs the pleasure for anyone then it's better to go and do something else or try and do something to help.
And that goes with most things in life.

For example,
Going out drinking with the mates is a great pleasure.
Waking up having pissed in the bedside drawer is a Pain.
Even more pain is what the wife provides verbally as a result.
What's a man to do ?
Give up drinking ? or Crack on ?

[Rooster Booster]

I'm not sure that hypocrisy is the label you should give yourself or others who think similarly.

It's realism, perspective and acceptance that we should draw upon.
And respect, of course.

Life's great for many of us - This sports great for a lot of us -
But as with most great pleasures in life, this can often bring pain also.

If the pain outweighs the pleasure for anyone then it's better to go and do something else or try and do something to help.
And that goes with most things in life.

For example,
Going out drinking with the mates is a great pleasure.
Waking up having pissed in the bedside drawer is a Pain.
Even more pain is what the wife provides verbally as a result.
What's a man to do ?
Give up drinking ? or Crack on ?

Out of interest and I’m not bullshitting....have you ever done a Mensa test or emotional intelligence ....EQI....i suspect you couldn’t care less about either but I also suspect you are at genius level on IQ and I also suspect you are off the charts on EI too...anyhow I’ve already derailed the thread far too much and apologies to everybody

[charlie]

Can you take Q being a genius with no empathy onto general chat please

[Benjy23]

The Turners market is so open. Of the top 10 quoted you can legitimately draw lines through 7 of them, without much doubt:

Sir Gerhard - probably out for the season
Allegorie De Vassy - mares chase almost certainly
State Man - champion hurdler
Dysart Dynamo - 2m or not at all
Gerri Colombe - BANC or NHC
Jonbon - Arkle
Thyme Hill - BANC

Saint Felicien better show up soon! I've ended up with a couple of really good looking multis that have SF for the Turners as a complete anomaly in.

Mighty Potter could well end up looking like a good price at the moment if something doesn't show up soon!

[Kevloaf]

Interesting that when asked on RTV earlier today who were 'his highlights of the festive period', Paul Townend mentioned Dysart Dynamo as one (Facile Vega was the other) whilst acknowleding them all....

Impressive for an 'ok' jumper Carnage at Taunton - you watched it back yet?

[riccirich]

Well you judged those posts wrong too and interesting that you chose to judge me on posts you can’t fully remember.... It has never been about me putting myself on a pedastool in the caring stakes..

What l I have done is give my opinion, and talked about my own struggles, between loving a sport that I feel can and does imo understate the painful reality that this sport can be brutal in terms of fatalities and injuries, both major and minor.

I won’t go into the subsequent exchanges as I suspect the way I worded my posts back then allowed the opportunity for being judged incorrectly and I am to blame for that absolutely and I am slowly realising that in order to avoid similar fate I have to put enormous effort into the precise wording of posts.

Unfortunately I suffer from hyper sensitivity which is a real thing believe it or not therefore it is much better for me to take more care over the wording of my posts than most as I have suffered a great deal when I have worded things clumsily in the past.

I am a hypocrite because my love for the sport is greater than any sympathy I have for the horses which is why I have carried on watching today. I struggle enormously with my hypocrisy ...others handle it much better than I do and i am envious. Next time if you want to judge me you have the option of clarifying my intent first. If you choose not to do that as is your right there is nothing I can do about that.

Not sure how I could fully remember every word that was said, I wasn’t screenshotting the posts to use as evidence in a future debate, I just remember the general posts were people complaining that a certain horse/horses should have ran because there was nothing wrong with the ground etc and you saying they should care more about the horses welfare, which I don’t think is really needed.

you can react any way you want to a horses death, it has nothing to do with anyone else and there is no issue with that, but at times in the past I think you have challenged some posters on the issue of welfare when there wasn’t really any need for it imo, which is when it can come across as talking down from a pedestal, you’ve clarified that it was not intended in that way which I accept with no issue.

Your post today was not provocative at all by itself, and I was mainly responding to another poster, but given a few of your posts I’ve seen in the past which I didn’t really agree with I wasn’t sure if you were trying to kick off a welfare arguement which led me to lump you in along with him and speak in the plural sense.